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IPB Continues To Puzzle

Okay, some of us (ahem, Schnookie) were disinclined to blog tonight’s NYT puzzle effort because certain other parties (ahem, Pookie) finished first, but after realizing Pookie would still be struggling blindly with the left-hand side of the grid without her help, Schnookie finally relented. (Pookie, at this point in this narrative, raises her eyebrows in haughty disbelief.)

Unlike last week’s puzzle, this one contained only real words, so that was a marked improvement. However, it wasn’t especially difficult — are they getting easier, or are we getting better at this? It only took us 36 minutes (while eating dinner and splitting a bottle of wine) by the “Master and Commander” DVD clock, as opposed to our traditional 56 minutes, and that’s a time we’ve been getting for the last few months. A bit disappointing. Get on that, Shortz!

So how did it play out? Schnookie started out strong, cracking the SW corner with ease, while Boomer and Pookie struggled a bit to get themselves started. (At a point where Schnookie had filled a good 15% of the grid, Boomer had gotten exactly two answers.) The key to unlocking that corner for Schnookie was knowing both the actors (41D, “Sobieski of ‘Joan of Arc’” [Leelee] and 43D, “Most-nominated Best Actor (eight times)” [O'Toole]) and hitting the three answers in the downs that started with “U” — 46D, 44D and 28D. Some clueage was needed to kick-start Pookie and Boomer (for O’Toole, “The greatest man to ever breathe!”), as Schnookie plowed through the NW corner, thanks to 30A, “Shade of red”, being one of her favorite words, “Claret”. A little clueage was also needed to get Boomer and Pookie through that corner, too, including 2D, “Title city in a 1983 George Strait hit” that Schnookie unlocked for them with the hint, “I had a very traumatic time there during my one trip to Texas”. (Don’t be too concerned about that trauma — it involved simply having to drive straight on a highway that happened to have a lot of merging, on-ramp traffic.)

It was at this point that Pookie took a stranglehold on the puzzle. She surged through the SE corner, getting a toehold by figuring 56A (”Invite letters”) couldn’t be RSVP because 58A (”Like porridge”) probably had to end with a “Y” (thereby making 56A “BYOB), and breaking it on 36D, “Starchy bite” (Tater tot). When she announced she had finished that corner, Schnookie, panicking that she was falling behind, demanded a clue for 39A, “Kind of service”. As it turns out, one of Boomer’s very favorite expressions when we’ve done a heavy day of house- or yardwork, is “We’ve done yoeman’s work!” So the fact that the answer was “Yoeman” was both funny and extremely depressing that we didn’t all immediately enter it.

We all went on relatively even footing into the NE corner, but Schnookie was reeling from the SE-corner surge by Pookie. Misled by wanting to make 5D, “Check for credibility, in modern lingo” (”Giggletest”? Really?), something that started with “Google”, Schnookie struggled. Pookie luckily misspelled “Google” and got 18A, “Alley oops”, (”Gutterball”) and it was all downhill from there. And so she finished first, having to actually spot Schnookie a clue (she was so blinded by rage for having not finished first that she couldn’t think straight at that point) for the last word she was missing, 5A (”Small wonders”), which was, ironically “Gifted kids”. Gifted Schnookie was not tonight. But she vows revenge — next Saturday Pookie will be lucky to get any help from her!

Oh, and in other news, Boomer resumed her rightful place bringing up the rear, announcing with no small crankiness, “I’m not even close to being done” as Pookie and Schnookie smugly declared this yet another too-easy puzzle for a Saturday.

830 Responses to “IPB Continues To Puzzle”

  1. on June 30, 2007 at 11:06 pm Grace

    You ladies are amazing–this was not an easy Saturday! I felt pretty good yesterday after getting all but three letters, but today’s puzzled owned me. I was very annoyed with “giggle test,” but I liked 5A: Small wonders and 55A: It can keep ballfields dry (alcohol ban). Despite having several cross clues, I kept trying to stretch T-A-R-P to fill the 10-letter word. Yikes.

    Oh, and Will Shortz made up for last week’s astro blunder by putting in the correct-but-obscure 7D: Polaris or Procyon (F star). Too obscure for me!


  2. on June 30, 2007 at 11:22 pm Patty

    This crossword puzzle race thing is so cool! My mom and my sisters and I always loved crosswords, but it never occurred to us to all do the same one separately.

    If we had, we’d have to handicap my mom somehow. Like we can start while she makes dinner, then afterwards we all pick it back up. She’d probably still win.

    Once we girls moved out of the house, we would all do the NYT puzzle in our respective apartments and then discuss them later. But when we were at home, Mom got the NYT and we got the easy ones on the other page.


  3. on June 30, 2007 at 11:50 pm Schnookie

    Grace, I also wanted “Alcohol ban” to be “Tarp” — I kept thinking, “how about ‘Tarpaulin’? Does that fit?” Then I considered “Retractable roof”. That, uh, didn’t work either… But yeah, for all that we were a bit underwhelmed by this one, it was certainly a lot harder than recent weeks were! I don’t think I would have been able to finish it myself.

    Patty, we have to race each other to do the puzzle because we would never be able to agree who gets to do it if there was only one copy! When Pookie was away at college we also did reconnoiters after we all worked them in our separate locations, and we did the same when Boomer was still out in AZ after Pookie and I moved back East. I guess once you all get into the habit of NYT puzzling, you just have to keep sharing!


  4. on July 1, 2007 at 12:26 am Patty

    One of my favorite childhood memories is lounging on the couch with Mom and leaning against her shoulder and “helping her with the puzzle.”

    Me: Want me to help you with the puzzle?
    Mom: Sure, honey.

    (I still do it when I visit them.)


  5. on July 1, 2007 at 12:27 am Patty

    Do y’all just do the Saturday puzzle, or is that just the only one you compete with?


  6. on July 1, 2007 at 12:27 am Schnookie

    Patty, that’s so sweet! That’s how I started solving them, too!!


  7. on July 1, 2007 at 12:45 am Grace

    Me: Want me to help you with the puzzle?
    Mom: Sure, honey.

    Adorable. Warm-and-fuzzies galore.


  8. on July 1, 2007 at 3:08 am Katebits

    Patty that’s so nice!

    I can’t help anyone with crossword puzzles. They might as well be written in Chinese. My brain don’t work that way.


  9. on July 1, 2007 at 9:07 am Iain

    My crossword career started with my mum as well - we used to do the cryptic crossword in the Scotsman newspaper most nights. It’s one of the things I missed the most when I got my own house.


  10. on July 1, 2007 at 9:37 am Jordi

    Our paper has a “crossword lite” intended for the little kids who can only form simple words.

    I do that one all the time, any more and my brain starts leaking.


  11. on July 1, 2007 at 12:03 pm Vinny

    can i be jealous and just say that my mom and i have never done any sort of crosswords or puzzles together?

    Hahaha but this is really, really cool :D

    I’m just like Jordi though. No shame in that :P.


  12. on July 1, 2007 at 12:27 pm Icing

    2 Down, 16 letters - what I’m thinking right now


  13. on July 1, 2007 at 12:29 pm Icing

    Maybe not so much “thinking” as crying out plaintively


  14. on July 1, 2007 at 1:06 pm CapsChick

    Cutting Edge is on Encore! WOOOOO!

    …July 1 is boring.


  15. on July 1, 2007 at 1:08 pm Patty

    Don’t feel bad if you don’t do crosswords. It’s either genetic, or you have to start young. And it takes practice. I have been off them for a while and just started getting back into them last and I find myself struggling a little.

    I’d be several laps behind the -ookies if I were in that race.


  16. on July 1, 2007 at 1:10 pm Schnookie

    “A BUTTON? You people are all about excuses!”


  17. on July 1, 2007 at 1:15 pm Schnookie

    Crosswords really are something that require practice. Furthermore, every crossword designer has a different vocabulary and approach, so you can be really good at one and lousy at all the others. It is maddeningly not something you just pick up and are immediately good at, unless you have a super mathematical, logical brain. (That was what amazed me the most in “Wordplay” — that it’s not word people who excel at crosswords, it’s engineering, computer programming, and — yes, Katebits — musicians who are hardwired best for seeing how a puzzle is fitting together.) Because I hate not immediately being good at stuff, I can’t do, say, Iain’s cryptic crosswords (those are hard!) or, even worse, acrostics. It is a strange miracle of timing in my life that I was willing to be bad at crosswords when I started doing them. It was a good three years before I felt like a reasonably decent solver of them!


  18. on July 1, 2007 at 1:15 pm Icing

    Ah, basking in the Cutting Edge love (yes, I own it on DVD).


  19. on July 1, 2007 at 1:17 pm Pookie

    Don’t feel bad if you don’t do crosswords. It’s either genetic, or you have to start young. And it takes practice.

    Doing crossword puzzles is all about learning the vocabulary of the paticular newspaper. It’s about seeing patterns, really. And lots and lots of practice. And, in my case, getting lots and lots of help. If I didn’t get clues, I’d be laps and laps behind Schnookie.


  20. on July 1, 2007 at 1:18 pm Amy

    Toe pick!

    And they made Cutting Edge 2 as a made-for-tv movie. A really bad tv movie that was a literal remake of the original, only with an inline skater instead of a hockey player. And yet, I watched it.


  21. on July 1, 2007 at 1:19 pm Icing

    So I was just looking at the (wince, sorry to bring this up) countertop with the “Go Devils” on it and it occurred to me (speaking of puzzles) that “Go Devils” is an anagram for “God’s Evil”. Hmmm….


  22. on July 1, 2007 at 1:19 pm Pookie

    Ah, basking in the Cutting Edge love

    “Finger painting?”


  23. on July 1, 2007 at 1:19 pm Icing

    There was a Cutting Edge 2?!?!


  24. on July 1, 2007 at 1:25 pm Amy

    Sadly, there was a Cutting Edge 2. It focused on Moira Kelly’s and DB Sweeney’s daughter and was the exact same plot as the original. It sadly did not have Moira Kelly, DB Sweeney or Terry O’Quinn to make it awesome.

    “You want me to put my hands where?”


  25. on July 1, 2007 at 1:26 pm Pookie

    “You want me to put my hands where?”

    “What do you do, soak them in battery acid?”


  26. on July 1, 2007 at 1:29 pm Schnookie

    We tried to watch Cutting Edge 2! And it was so awful we had to turn it off, to be honest. I couldn’t get past the fact that Doug and Kate wouldn’t have been that old yet. And that it was just flat-out, painfully, unwatchably awful. Although if they re-aired it now, I’d totally do a game diary for it.

    “Your 20th letter came today. Detroit Redwings. ‘Sorry about the eye. Go piss up a rope.’”


  27. on July 1, 2007 at 1:30 pm Mags

    Cutting Edge eh? Sounds like a need to go bully the DVD rental people some more.


  28. on July 1, 2007 at 1:34 pm Pookie

    Cutting Edge eh? Sounds like a need to go bully the DVD rental people some more.

    Are you saying you’ve never seen this fine film?!?


  29. on July 1, 2007 at 1:36 pm Mags

    Are you saying you’ve never seen this fine film?!?

    That’s exactly what I’m saying :P


  30. on July 1, 2007 at 1:40 pm Schnookie

    Mags, a life without The Cutting Edge is a life not worth living! It is, simply, the greatest film ever made. I don’t think I exaggerate at all when I say that. Okay, maybe it’s the greatest “hockey-player-reluctantly-turns-into-a-pairs-figure-skater” movie ever made…


  31. on July 1, 2007 at 1:41 pm Katebits

    ….it’s not word people who excel at crosswords, it’s engineering, computer programming, and — yes, Katebits — musicians who are hardwired best for seeing how a puzzle is fitting together.

    Hmm, interesting. A few years ago I really tried to get better at the NYT crossword puzzle, and I think that I did pick up on a lot of the patterns, but a puzzler also has to have a real brain for trivia. I am an idiot savant when it come to things like jigsaw puzzles and Tetris (seriously, if there was a free agency of Tetris Playing, I wouldn’t sign for anything less than 7 for 7). Sadly, I am also the kind of person who can read a book in two hours, but if you ask me the name of the main character ten minutes later, I won’t remember.

    Mags! You’ve never seen The Cutting Edge?! You’re so lucky! Watch it today.


  32. on July 1, 2007 at 1:46 pm Schnookie

    Ohhh… I love jigsaw puzzles and Tetris-style games! I am currently going through an obsessive Lumines phase in my life, having recently acquired a PSP. I would quit my job to play Lumines all day if I could. (And I blame Lumines for my total lack of work on “Chasing Sidney”. Still holding steady at 72 words, people!)

    I also very rarely know the trivia answers in the NYT crossword. I only know the word answers and have to let the trivia ones fill in courtesy of the words around them. My mind is a total sieve, and I’m exactly the same way about books, Katebits! I read them quickly and for plot alone. And as soon as I finish them I forget all about them.


  33. on July 1, 2007 at 1:47 pm Mags

    The only puzzles I can do are ones with numbers. I’m crazy good at those. But we’d already established that I am a retarded number cruncher, so who’s surprised?

    Any other movies I absomustylutely have to see before I die? I’m ordering some now so pipe up :)

    (the the new mask design is pretty. And not orange and blue. I fucking hate orange and blue)


  34. on July 1, 2007 at 1:49 pm Pookie

    Any other movies I absomustylutely have to see before I die? I’m ordering some now so pipe up

    “Some Like it Hot”
    “Cabaret”
    “Young Frakenstein”
    “Cutting Edge”

    And that’s all you need!


  35. on July 1, 2007 at 1:52 pm Katebits

    Princess Bride
    Goonies
    What About Bob
    Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind


  36. on July 1, 2007 at 1:52 pm Schnookie

    Mags, ditching the Mets colors is a definitely step in the right direction for your mask! This trade is already working out perfectly for you!! (Uh, right? Right?)

    If I was going to only be able to watch ten movies for the rest of my life, I’d pick “The Cutting Edge”, “Master and Commander, The Far Side of the World”, “The Bourne Identity” and “Bourne Supremacy”, “Wet, Hot American Summer”, “LA Confidential”, “Some Like It Hot”, “Intermission”, “Shattered Glass” and “The Princess Bride”. If that’s any help.

    And Mags, are you sure you’re not a little computer instead of just a retarded number-cruncher? Are you, perhaps, Sid’s dream girl?


  37. on July 1, 2007 at 1:54 pm Amy

    I would also add “Blazing Saddles” and “Robin Hood Men In Tights” to the list.


  38. on July 1, 2007 at 1:56 pm Schnookie

    Boomer just suggested “Blazing Saddles”, too!

    “What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here?”


  39. on July 1, 2007 at 1:56 pm Mags

    Well, the only ones I haven’t seen are Cutting Edge, What About Bob, Master and Commander, The Far Side of the World, and Shattered Glass.

    The trade is working out perfect in the sense that now, I get paid! I’m still angry they didn’t you know, ask me how I felt about the whole affair.

    And Mags, are you sure you’re not a little computer instead of just a retarded number-cruncher? Are you, perhaps, Sid’s dream girl?

    I thought that was the fridge? What are you trying to do, induce terrifying nightmares :P


  40. on July 1, 2007 at 1:57 pm Katebits

    Are you, perhaps, Sid’s dream girl?

    Plus, she is European. Mags is Sid’s European star crossed lover robot girl!

    Oooh, who said Shattered Glass? That was such a good one. I forgot all about that movie.


  41. on July 1, 2007 at 2:01 pm Schnookie

    Shattered Glass is one of our “Friday Crossword Puzzle” movies! It’s so perfect to have on in the background, and who doesn’t love listening to Peter Saargaard? Plus, it has Pookie’s all-time favorite action highlighter sequence. (I’m not making that up — she just adores the part where the Forbes guys start picking apart the article and there’s the tight-cut “text being highlighted” montage.)

    What are you trying to do, induce terrifying nightmares :P

    Heh heh. Mission accomplished!


  42. on July 1, 2007 at 2:04 pm Mags

    Plus, she is European. Mags is Sid’s European star crossed lover robot girl!

    Ah, I have a dual nationality. One of which is decidedly not European. But hey, I can be European if you want me to be :P. The robot part is going to be harder ;)

    Heh heh. Mission accomplished!

    I might have known. Then again, Sid is one of the only people on the planet who can make me feel that I have a tiny caboose.


  43. on July 1, 2007 at 2:07 pm Katebits

    Plus, it has Pookie’s all-time favorite action highlighter sequence.

    Hee. Shattered Glass somehow managed to be totally scary in a totally nerdy way. And Peter Saaarsgaaaard makes an awesome nerd hero. I might have to rent that movie today. I saw it twice but it’s been awhile. Plus, Shattered Glass has that round faced girl that I like.


  44. on July 1, 2007 at 2:07 pm Gambler

    fucking hate orange and blue

    Awww… Orange and blue are my school’s colors, so I have to love them. Although we have possibly the worst sports in the state of Minnesota, so I can’t really argue that they’re winning colors.

    I’ve been meaning to see Shattered Glass for quite a while. Does it help to prove that the new Star Wars suckage is George Lucas’ fault and not Hayden Christensen’s? Because I sure hope so. I loved him in Life As A House.


  45. on July 1, 2007 at 2:07 pm Patty

    “We present to you a laurel, and hearty handshake.”

    Blazing Saddles is on my list, too.

    And for some drama (which is poorly represented on my list, I admit), I’d add “Coal Miner’s Daughter.” I was obsessed with Tommy Lee Jones for a long time after I first saw that movie. (Please don’t judge me.) :D


  46. on July 1, 2007 at 2:09 pm Katebits

    Does it help to prove that the new Star Wars suckage is George Lucas’ fault and not Hayden Christensen’s?

    I think it does Gambler.


  47. on July 1, 2007 at 2:10 pm Mags

    Gambler, I’m pretty sure your orange and blue are better than mine :)

    Well, the movies have been ordered. They’ll be here on Tuesday :)


  48. on July 1, 2007 at 2:12 pm Schnookie

    Shattered Glass is so totally scary in a nerd way! And it’s just got this ripping good tension and everything — it’s such a tight, well-made, really well-performed movie. I have an office crush on the Forbes editor guy. (And who doesn’t adore Steve Zahn? I just love the entire cast of that movie, except there are a few line readings by Hank Azaria that sound just like Moe from The Simpsons [of course] that always make me giggle.) Gambler, Hayden Christensen is perfectly serviceable in Shattered Glass, although he’s got this weird speech impediment… He’s incredibly slimy and creepy. It just… perfect!

    Mags, Sid’s caboose makes mine look tiny by comparison, so he’d probably make yours all but disappear! :-)


  49. on July 1, 2007 at 2:14 pm Gambler

    Drama? “The Departed.” It blew my mind the first time I watched it, and I could literally watch it all day. So good.

    And, Schnookie, Hayden always has that speech impediment. I love it.


  50. on July 1, 2007 at 2:15 pm Katebits

    I’m going to think about Sid’s caboose all day. That will be my project for the day: Ponder: Sid’s caboose. Sometimes a girl just has to treat herself, ya know?


  51. on July 1, 2007 at 2:19 pm Mags

    I’m going to think about Sid’s caboose all day. That will be my project for the day: Ponder: Sid’s caboose. Sometimes a girl just has to treat herself, ya know?

    Thanks to Schnookie I’m going to spend the day thinking of Robot Sid + Robot Mags, the refrigerator girl. Very cheerful.

    And Christensen always talks funny. It’s just his thing.


  52. on July 1, 2007 at 2:24 pm Steph

    How does refrigerator Mags feel about toasters?


  53. on July 1, 2007 at 2:25 pm Mags

    Well, she really likes her froggy toaster because it sends her love notes in the morning. But other toasters are just way too hot for her chilled self.


  54. on July 1, 2007 at 2:31 pm Sherry

    I’ve seen Shattered Glass and it’s quite a good movie. I think it’s one of the few performances Christensen put in where he absolutely wasn’t wooden. But that could just be the awful script-writing that was the Star Wars movies colouring my judgment.


  55. on July 1, 2007 at 2:37 pm Pookie

    Sherry, while you’re here, Schnookie and I want to say a giant thanks for playing that ArtDontSleep stuff on the radio the other day! We downloaded it yesterday, and after just once through we’d already downloaded stuff from 3 of the artists! It is so freakin’ awesome!


  56. on July 1, 2007 at 2:45 pm Schnookie

    Katebits, a day of thinking about Sid’s caboose is a day well-spent in my book!

    Well, she really likes her froggy toaster because it sends her love notes in the morning. But other toasters are just way too hot for her chilled self.

    There’s one “Comment That Made Schnookie Laugh Out Loud The Hardest” Award for Mags!


  57. on July 1, 2007 at 2:47 pm Vinny

    I’m going to think about Sid’s caboose all day. That will be my project for the day: Ponder: Sid’s caboose. Sometimes a girl just has to treat herself, ya know?

    Great. Now i’m going to think about this all day. Great.

    aaack. Why can’t more things be happening on Free Agency Day? :(


  58. on July 1, 2007 at 2:50 pm Mags

    There’s one “Comment That Made Schnookie Laugh Out Loud The Hardest” Award for Mags!

    :) Yay. And today, Earl is not around to take it away from me 5 minutes from now :P


  59. on July 1, 2007 at 2:51 pm Schnookie

    And today, Earl is not around to take it away from me 5 minutes from now

    Eh, Earl can’t top that kind of shit! :P


  60. on July 1, 2007 at 3:06 pm Vinny

    Hahaha Schnookie is that implying shit made you laugh out loud the loudest today :P

    oh mannn Schneider to Anaheim just makes me think a) Nieder if not retiring this year will retire next year b) ANaheim’s primed to contend for another Cup and good shot at winning it. :( or :)


  61. on July 1, 2007 at 3:12 pm Steph

    Earl’s lucky he’s not around :b I think Schneider to Anaheim means we’re not friends until I come to terms.


  62. on July 1, 2007 at 3:18 pm Vinny

    Aww Steph :(

    Maybe Nieds won’t retire and Burke will ahh..trade Schneider!

    ah. maybe. :X.


  63. on July 1, 2007 at 3:29 pm Schnookie

    I hate to say it, but Schneider gets from me a big, fat, Ann-from-Arrested-Development, “Her?”


  64. on July 1, 2007 at 3:30 pm Meg

    Briere to Philly per Tim Graham:
    http://buffalonews.typepad.com/sabres/2007/07/hot-rumors.html

    A) I hope he’s horribly overpaid.
    B) I would be quite happy if he is not so good next year.


  65. on July 1, 2007 at 3:32 pm Steph

    If only :(


  66. on July 1, 2007 at 3:32 pm Schnookie

    A) I hope he’s horribly overpaid.
    B) I would be quite happy if he is not so good next year.

    I think it’s highly likely both those things will happen!


  67. on July 1, 2007 at 3:33 pm Katebits

    Ew. The FLYERS. Gross. He’s dead to me.


  68. on July 1, 2007 at 3:35 pm Schnookie

    He’s dead to me.

    I’m so proud of you, Katebits!


  69. on July 1, 2007 at 3:36 pm Meg

    Katebits, me too. And happily, I think Briere is one of those players who you love when he’s on the team you cheer for and hate when he plays for another team. Apparently Montreal was offering 6 years, 42 million, so I’m hoping Philly is overpaying by even more.


  70. on July 1, 2007 at 3:37 pm Vinny

    oh my god if the Habs were offering 6 years $7mil what in holy cookie jars does Philly want to pay him?

    oppp there goes Gomez’s payday :X


  71. on July 1, 2007 at 3:38 pm Vinny

    Heee in my evil twisted cold little heart, I hope Philly overpays like WO-AHH so they screw their own cap system :)

    jk flyer fans :(


  72. on July 1, 2007 at 3:39 pm Mags

    Briere to Philly.

    Jezus. You can’t be serious.


  73. on July 1, 2007 at 3:40 pm Katebits

    I’m so proud of you, Katebits!

    You ladies have tought me well. Don’t expect such a strong performance from me if Drury becomes a King…..I don’t foresee a very graceful reaction to that.

    Meg, i hope Philly gave him a 10 year 100 million dollar contract.


  74. on July 1, 2007 at 3:40 pm Meg

    Heee in my evil twisted cold little heart, I hope Philly overpays like WO-AHH so they screw their own cap system :)

    jk flyer fans :(

    See, I wouldn’t be kidding. Thing is, if the cap keeps rising, it’s now problem for Philly because they’ve got such deep pockets. So one must also hope that the cap ceases to rise.


  75. on July 1, 2007 at 3:42 pm Katebits

    Can the cap ever get lowered? Isn’t it all based on revenues?


  76. on July 1, 2007 at 3:42 pm Vinny

    well it’s notched to revenues and that’s only gone up due to sold out canadian arenas (which can’t go any further unless they hike tickets and they can’t do much of that anymore) plus the strong canadian dollar (which in all likelihood will go down).

    So… i can see the cap going up but no more than $5 within the next four/five years :X.


  77. on July 1, 2007 at 3:43 pm Vinny

    yeah Kate the cap can lower, at that point, players’ cap hits will be re-calculated as a percentage, and still be paid their original actual amount, but new contracts signed will be paid per contract/cap hit.


  78. on July 1, 2007 at 3:44 pm Meg

    I’m not sure, Katebits…the cap confuses me. It just goes to show that the league should have gone with a set cap instead of one tied to revenue when the NHLPA offered it. We’re already over the amount that the set cap would have been, I believe.


  79. on July 1, 2007 at 3:45 pm Schnookie

    The other thing to consider, besides just the “screwing up their cap” angle, is the “what are they going to do with Briere at the end of a huge contract like that” angle. I mean, in five years they’ll have an aging, non-producing, undersized and so-overpaid-he’s-unmoveable dead weight on their payroll. It’s beautiful!


  80. on July 1, 2007 at 3:45 pm Meg

    Apparently it’s for 8 years and btwn 6 and 7 mil.


  81. on July 1, 2007 at 3:47 pm Katebits

    Wouldn’t it be awesome if sometime in the future all of the rich teams have to unload all of their fattest contracts? Heh. They would have to start throwing dudes overboard.

    I can’t believe how dead to me Daniel Briere is! I didn’t think I had it in me. I should quickly fall in love with a boy and then break up with him to see if this new cutthroat Katebits translates to the real world!


  82. on July 1, 2007 at 3:48 pm Icing

    I see 8 years for 52 million. Why Briere, why?????


  83. on July 1, 2007 at 3:48 pm Katebits

    8 YEARS? HAHAHA! Dead.To.Me.


  84. on July 1, 2007 at 3:49 pm Mags

    HOLY FRICKING SCHNITT.

    That is a LONG chunk of time.


  85. on July 1, 2007 at 3:51 pm Vinny

    NMC!

    WEEEEE this helps in the ‘blowing Philly’s cap’ :X


  86. on July 1, 2007 at 3:51 pm Mags

    If Tim Graham is right and Briere did it for ego I’m going to laugh so hard. He totally didn’t seem the type.


  87. on July 1, 2007 at 3:51 pm Meg

    52 million? Hey, I’d do it. And chances are Philly will be a contender during those 8 years, because that’s the Philly we all know and loathe. Makes sense for Briere…I just don’t really think it’s the wise decision for Philly.


  88. on July 1, 2007 at 3:51 pm Katebits

    He’s getting paid 10 million dollars next year! He is so dead to me it’s as if he never existed in the first place!


  89. on July 1, 2007 at 3:53 pm Vinny

    shit i suddenly realize i want to see the structure of the contract…what if it’s ridiculously front loaded and Philly can just buy out his last two (age 36/37) years?


  90. on July 1, 2007 at 3:53 pm Icing

    I’m so sorry Buffalo fans.
    If he’d signed with Montreal, I would have been more accepting. Well he’s not going to be a fantasy pick for me this Fall, ha ha, take that Briere!!! (Yeah, I showed him.)


  91. on July 1, 2007 at 3:53 pm Meg

    A NMC? Seriously? This just gets crazier and crazier. Ooh I hope he becomes a millstone around their neck.

    And Mags, I can totally see Briere being the type to do something for ego. He has a huge chip on his shoulder and this is all kinds of validation.


  92. on July 1, 2007 at 3:56 pm Icing

    He’s getting paid 10 million dollars next year! He is so dead to me it’s as if he never existed in the first place!

    Love it Katebits! Love it!


  93. on July 1, 2007 at 3:56 pm Icing

    Seven letter word for Briere.

    Jackass.


  94. on July 1, 2007 at 3:58 pm Gambler

    I can’t believe how dead to me Daniel Briere is! I didn’t think I had it in me.

    You and me both, Katebits. He was my favorite player for a lot of the season, but now it’s like he was never born.

    On the bright side, this means my exit 48/Flyer Rd overpass prophecy was correct. Let’s hope the case 23/$1 one is true too! Please, please, please…

    This sucks.


  95. on July 1, 2007 at 3:59 pm Meg

    Yes, Icing, but a wealthy jackass.


  96. on July 1, 2007 at 4:01 pm Vinny

    i really REALLY hope it’s not as front loaded as it’s sounding right now, bc i don’t want the flyers to be able to buyout his last two three years as some aging horribly producing 36+ year old :(


  97. on July 1, 2007 at 4:01 pm Katebits

    #23 for $1! Let’s get this done, Darcy!


  98. on July 1, 2007 at 4:01 pm Pookie

    See, Katebits, I told you it was just easy!

    I figured all along that Briere was going to Philly, but 8 years? That’s insane. INSANE! Forget the $10 mil next year, the average salary of 6.5 is still to much! Wah-ha-ha!

    Now, let’s see if this Gomez rumor has been confirmed…


  99. on July 1, 2007 at 4:02 pm Mags

    I’m waiting for my sister to call me if the Gomer rumour is true. Because she will. And she will taunt me.


  100. on July 1, 2007 at 4:03 pm Sherry

    Sherry, while you’re here, Schnookie and I want to say a giant thanks for playing that ArtDontSleep stuff on the radio the other day! We downloaded it yesterday, and after just once through we’d already downloaded stuff from 3 of the artists! It is so freakin’ awesome!

    Sorry I didn’t stick around, haha. You welcome!

    I’m sorry Buffalo fans, but at least Marty and Danny will have a happy reunion in Philly.

    I was really hoping for more fireworks today, but I suppose it’s still early. Maybe I was just hoping for the Senators to actually do something.


  101. on July 1, 2007 at 4:04 pm Katebits

    Do you guys hate Gomez? Is he a tool or something? Why are you so chill about him going away? Sorry, you’ve prolly already answered that question. See my earlier comment about how I retain zero info…..


  102. on July 1, 2007 at 4:04 pm Sherry

    Per TSN.ca…

    Brian Rafalski agrees to a five year, $30 million contract with the Detroit Red Wings.


  103. on July 1, 2007 at 4:05 pm Katebits

    Aww, man. I kind of wanted Raffie.


  104. on July 1, 2007 at 4:06 pm Schnookie

    Why are you so chill about him going away?

    I’m not.


  105. on July 1, 2007 at 4:07 pm Amy

    It has not been a good day in my house. First my church is closing as part of our diocese’s restructuring, and now Briere is leaving.

    On the plus side, at least Marty Biron gets his roommate back. And Briere no longer has to deal with the morons on the Kiss 98.5 morning show. And Philly has locked up some serious cash in one guy.


  106. on July 1, 2007 at 4:07 pm Mags

    Dingding. Chica and Dad on the phone to taunt me.

    Bye Raffie T_T


  107. on July 1, 2007 at 4:07 pm Vinny

    See Steph! i told you ;_; when they lost Schneider I said they would’ve wanted Raffie.

    ;_;

    So I guess Gomez is really going to the Rangers too…. :( the way the trumours are all turning out true.

    Sherry I thought the SEnators had no room ?


  108. on July 1, 2007 at 4:08 pm Katebits

    I’m not.

    Oh, sorry Schnookie.


  109. on July 1, 2007 at 4:09 pm Sherry

    Vinny - They have about $8 million free but they still need to resign Emery, Schubert, Kelly, Payer and Allison. They better well damn make room.


  110. on July 1, 2007 at 4:10 pm Steph

    The gods of free agency, they hate me.

    I guess I don’t need to mind this one much though…argh Schneider come back to me.


  111. on July 1, 2007 at 4:10 pm Pookie

    Brian Rafalski agrees to a five year, $30 million contract with the Detroit Red Wings.

    Alright, fine. Raffie is certianly NOT worth that kind of money, but right now I feel like I just got punched in the gut. Just the other day his agent was quoted in the Jersey papers saying, “Brian has instructed me to listen to offers from other teams, but has said he will respond to all offers with, ‘Great, but I want to stay with Jersey. Make it happen with the Devils.’” Fuck you, Brian Rafalski, your agent, and your basement. Don’t say that kind of shit to the fans and then sign with Detriot. Dead. To. Me.


  112. on July 1, 2007 at 4:10 pm Katebits

    Vinny, did you mean to type “trumours” or was that just a brilliant typo?


  113. on July 1, 2007 at 4:11 pm Schnookie

    And Briere no longer has to deal with the morons on the Kiss 98.5 morning show.

    Um, hello — Philly fans much, people? He has NO idea what he’s in for.


  114. on July 1, 2007 at 4:11 pm Mags

    ‘Great, but I want to stay with Jersey. Make it happen with the Devils.’

    I know! I had good feelings about that!


  115. on July 1, 2007 at 4:11 pm Pookie

    And Briere no longer has to deal with the morons on the Kiss 98.5 morning show.

    Um, hello — Philly fans much, people? He has NO idea what he’s in for.

    Boomer just piped up, “Don’t forget, this is the city that booed Santa.”


  116. on July 1, 2007 at 4:12 pm Katebits

    Um, hello — Philly fans much, people? He has NO idea what he’s in for.

    I lived in Philly for four years, and I can assure you, they will eat him alive. I almost feel bad for him already.


  117. on July 1, 2007 at 4:12 pm Meg

    Pookie…that is just crap. Sometimes it’s better for players to just keep their damn mouths shut.


  118. on July 1, 2007 at 4:12 pm Vinny

    But Pookie… what if he tried? And The Devils didn’t want to make it happen? Because if TSN is right, nobody expected Raffie out on the market today, there was a lot of activity bc teams were trying to talk to Rafalski bc they didn’t expect him to be there.

    And plus the $6 is really market value. Esp if Schnieder really just got 5.6 cap hit. and guys like Poti and the Calgary D (damnit..his name! T_T) just got around 3.5 3.6 :X


  119. on July 1, 2007 at 4:13 pm Sherry

    Here’s the story on Rafalski. The TSN.ca headline has him named “Ralalski”. I’m so sorry ladies.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=212429&hubname=nhl


  120. on July 1, 2007 at 4:14 pm Pookie

    ‘Great, but I want to stay with Jersey. Make it happen with the Devils.’

    I know! I had good feelings about that!

    I did too, Mags. I didn’t want him to stay — I want to see what Paul Martin does with the responsibility of being #1 — but when someone in an organization where lifetime Devils have a habit for signing for less to stay with the team says he wants to stay, I stupidly believe him.


  121. on July 1, 2007 at 4:14 pm Vinny

    Hah Kate I don’t know. Maybe it’s my subconsciousness writing T___T.


  122. on July 1, 2007 at 4:15 pm Amy

    Another reason to put on the “Danny is Dead to Me” list. He went to Philly over Montreal because he wanted a team of his own. If he would have gone to Montreal, he would have been playing second fiddle to Koivu, and he’s already played that role recently.

    I still like Biron, however. No hard feelings there.


  123. on July 1, 2007 at 4:16 pm Steph

    If you decide he isn’t dead to you after all I’ll try to take care of him for you…as soon as I can get over that he isn’t goofy looking and yet somehow adorable quite the way Schneider is :(


  124. on July 1, 2007 at 4:17 pm Sherry

    Jay Onrait’s Liveblog of TSN’s Free Agent Frenzy is always a good read:

    12:29 - Bob McKenzie: “Brian Rafalski is the number one defenceman available. He’s looking for Kimmo Timonen money.” Should we be concerned that the term “Kimmo Timonen Money” has entered the NHL lexicon?

    Oh, Onrait.

    http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/onrait/?id=212405


  125. on July 1, 2007 at 4:18 pm Meg

    Yes, but Biron was traded, and he’s adorable. And he is still going to live in Buffalo during the offseason, which is totally the way to a Buffalo fan’s heart, no? They have to do bad things to destroy the, chooses-Buffalo-as-their-home love.


  126. on July 1, 2007 at 4:19 pm Vinny

    I love onrait :D i was reading it earlier. XD. Keep my mind off things.

    Unofficially Gomez to the Rangers? :X EEEEP. Poor Jersey ;_;.


  127. on July 1, 2007 at 4:20 pm Mags

    Someone pinch me. I thought the worst thing about today was going to be Schnookie induced nightmares about robot Sid. Now Raffie is gone and Gomez is talking to the Rangers. My parents are NEVER going to let me forget (unless we kick their asses. They’d shut up pretty fast if that happened)


  128. on July 1, 2007 at 4:21 pm Pookie

    But Pookie… what if he tried? And The Devils didn’t want to make it happen?

    Rafalski signed for more money than he’s worth, and more money than he needs. Based on past history with our team, we have every right to expect that that quote means he will sign for less than market value to stay. Marty Brodeur signed for waaaay less than market value, as did Scottie Stevens. They both recognized that the market was bloated and that it was more important for them to sacrifice some personal perks to stay with the franchise where they felt they had the best chance of winning.

    Can we begrudge Raffie for wanting to get as much money as someone was willing to pay him? Certainly not. That’s his prerogative. But can we be really pissed off for him saying he wanted, above all else, to stay with the team and then leave? Abso-fucking-lutely. Because there’s no way the Devils didn’t offer him something comparable to the less-than-market deals they used to sign Marty and Stevens.


  129. on July 1, 2007 at 4:21 pm Sherry

    Haha, all right I have to go for a driving lesson now. My exam is next Thursday and I’m quite rightly freaking out about it.

    I’ll try not to think about the ‘Free Agent Frenzy’ that is happening. Cheers and hope everybody isn’t too depressed.


  130. on July 1, 2007 at 4:21 pm Amy

    Jersey could get hit further. Hockeybuzz is reporting that Edmonton is going after Parise. Turtle-of-Affairs Boxworthy was not available for comment.


  131. on July 1, 2007 at 4:22 pm Pookie

    He went to Philly over Montreal because he wanted a team of his own. If he would have gone to Montreal, he would have been playing second fiddle to Koivu, and he’s already played that role recently.

    Simon Gagne’s like, “Um, hello?” That’s a great way to start out! Alienate the star of your new team! Yay!


  132. on July 1, 2007 at 4:24 pm Katebits

    They both recognized that the market was bloated and that it was more important for them to sacrifice some personal perks to stay with the franchise where they felt they had the best chance of winning.

    That is so awesome. I’m still absurdly hoping that Drury has a little of this goodness in him. I’m sorry about Raffie. Clearly, he was not good enough for the Devils, and CERTAINLY not good enough for the -ookies. He’s dead to me on your behalf.


  133. on July 1, 2007 at 4:24 pm Meg

    Briere structure is, 10, 9, 8, 6, 6, 5, 4, 4. Let’s hope he’s never worth the money because Philly could totally buy that out toward the end of the contract.


  134. on July 1, 2007 at 4:24 pm Vinny

    Have fun Sherry! I’m glad you’re not a Buffalo fan right now :(

    aww Pookie I hear you ;_; I’m sorry. I think some teams in dire need of defense might even offer Raffie more. :( It’s okay! Don’t worry, Lou has a solution for everything :) and plus Parise isn’t going anywhere :) they’ll match his offers.


  135. on July 1, 2007 at 4:25 pm Amy

    And Gagne’s a pretty big guy. He could break Briere with a sneeze.

    On a happier note, Happy Canada Day to the Canadian IPB’ers.


  136. on July 1, 2007 at 4:26 pm Mags

    plus Parise isn’t going anywhere :) they’ll match his offers.

    If they don’t I may have to fall momentarily out of love with the Devils. Just 30 seconds or so, but long enough.


  137. on July 1, 2007 at 4:26 pm Vinny

    So if Philly tried to buy out his last two years (36 and 37) that would mean they pay him two-thirds of 8.. so something like 6.5 mil.. and take a cap hit of something like 3 mil for four years?

    hee at least they’ll still take a hefty cap hit for four years :D


  138. on July 1, 2007 at 4:27 pm Katebits

    Let’s not go there with Parise. Boxworthy would never allow something like that to happen. Honestly, people. Don’t be ridiculous.


  139. on July 1, 2007 at 4:28 pm Mags

    Happy Canada Day to the Canadian IPB’ers.

    Ditto. Happy Canada Day Irregs!


  140. on July 1, 2007 at 4:29 pm Vinny

    *throws the red&white confetti in the air*


  141. on July 1, 2007 at 4:31 pm Schnookie

    and plus Parise isn’t going anywhere :) they’ll match his offers.

    He fucking better not be going anywhere. The whole point of my “let’s not pay Raffie the ridiculous market price that’s being set this offseason” argument was that the money freed up would be spend on our big RFAs, Paulie Martin and Zach. Grr.


  142. on July 1, 2007 at 4:31 pm Mags

    *is having a beer* I love having a dual Nationality. Two National holidays!

    My iTunes is sending me messages again. Didn’t We Almost Have It All just came on. Damn you music Gods.


  143. on July 1, 2007 at 4:34 pm Schnookie

    If they don’t I may have to fall momentarily out of love with the Devils. Just 30 seconds or so, but long enough.

    Mags, I’d be right there with you. And after my 30-second snit, I’d be all, “Thank you, Lou. May I have another?”


  144. on July 1, 2007 at 4:34 pm Mags

    And after my 30-second snit, I’d be all, “Thank you, Lou. May I have another?”

    I know. It’s terrible isn’t it.


  145. on July 1, 2007 at 4:35 pm Pookie

    The one thing that would make me laugh if Edmonton ended up with Parise is that they would lose however many draft picks for a player they could have gotten if they had just not traded their #17 pick in 2003. Hee hee. Sigh. If this is just coming out of Eklund and hockeybuzz, I’m not worried. And Katebits is right, Boxworthy wouldn’t let this happen. He’d pull a Toronto and somehow screw up the fax or something.


  146. on July 1, 2007 at 4:36 pm Pookie

    Oh yeah, Happy Canada Day!


  147. on July 1, 2007 at 4:37 pm Katebits

    Totally. Boxworthy knows what’s up.


  148. on July 1, 2007 at 4:37 pm Steph

    I’ve had enough damage done to me today. The Oilers are not allowed to sign Parise. (Though don’t be taking that as me not liking him! Don’t kill me, I do, I promise!)


  149. on July 1, 2007 at 4:38 pm Schnookie

    Oh, Pookie, you’re so right about Boxworthy screwing up the fax!


  150. on July 1, 2007 at 4:42 pm Mags

    40 minutes. Nothing. I have a sense of imminent doom. I could so live in Buffalo :P. Damn. (it doesn’t help that so far every single Rangers fan I know has called me to laugh at me. Nice guys. Very nice)


  151. on July 1, 2007 at 4:43 pm Pookie

    I’ve had enough damage done to me today.

    Aw, come on, Raffie’s not that bad! :P


  152. on July 1, 2007 at 4:44 pm Pookie

    40 minutes. Nothing. I have a sense of imminent doom.

    I know, Mags, it’s terrible! I hope he’s getting phone calls from Bobby Holik and Johnny Mac saying, “Don’t do it! Don’t do it!”


  153. on July 1, 2007 at 4:48 pm Gambler

    Shit… my sister just brought up a good point. What am I going to do with my Briere Bunch hat?

    And the overreaction has already begun: Buffalonians are demanding Regier’s head on a platter. Little too dramatic, I think. Although if he doesn’t get Drury and Vanek at this point, he should probably look into getting a safe house/panic room and a decoy double.


  154. on July 1, 2007 at 4:48 pm Steph

    Aw, come on, Raffie’s not that bad! :P

    Actually part of me really thinks this is probably a good signing when I look at what we have and what we got rid of and I really don’t have any opinion toward the guy positive or negative (I blame that whole not watching the eastern conference thing). But I just keep thinking……I miss Schneider :(


  155. on July 1, 2007 at 4:49 pm Schnookie

    Johnny Mac is probably afraid to make any phone calls because he doesn’t want to miss Lou calling him to offer the head coaching gig. (Um, is the lack of a head coach a detriment to a team that’s trying to sign free agents?)


  156. on July 1, 2007 at 4:49 pm Mags

    I hope he’s getting phone calls from Bobby Holik and Johnny Mac saying, “Don’t do it! Don’t do it!”

    Wouldn’t that be something :P


  157. on July 1, 2007 at 4:50 pm Schnookie

    Steph, I consider Raffie is a big improvement on Schneider. But part of that might be because I thought Schneider was a washed-up loser 10 years ago. So I, uh, might not be the best judge of this one.


  158. on July 1, 2007 at 4:52 pm