Reasons We Love Hockey Part 43
August 6, 2007 by Schnookie
The 43rd in our 118-part series, and second in our two-part mini-series.
Laughing at Sid Crosby
In our previous Reason We Love Hockey we expounded briefly on the joy that is admiring Sid Crosby. But along with actually loving him for how staggeringly good a hockey player he is, we also derive endless hours of entertainment from laughing at him. He has a richness of character that requires no elaborate, fantastical mythology (although that’s pretty inevitable to come up with) — there is just so much pathos right there on the surface to mock. That said, there is something so utterly compelling and lovable about him that makes us mock with a tenderness and care that we feel for literally no one else. Not even real people we know. Not even each other.
This interview was recently brought to the IPB Irregulars’ attention by Heather B.. Now, this has long been a favorite interview for us, and we’ve decided to share a little bit of game diary-style reaction to it to provide you, Gentle Reader, with a taste of how we laugh at Sid at stately IPB Manor.
0:03 Pookie: “He’s being interviewed by someone who wishes she was Jerri from ‘Strangers With Candy’. I mean, look at her outfit!” Schnookie: “I can’t. All I can see are those enormous thighs of his. How does he fit through doorways?”
0:07 The interviewer says, “I want to find out more about you off the ice”. Sid looks terrified. And he’s started The Nodding. (Sid’s patented interview style is to digest the question being thrown at him by nodding and looking like he’s concentrating. Sometimes he adds to that a little bit of “uh huh… uh huh… uh huh…” affirmation. Then when he opens his mouth to answer, he either chirps “Sure!” or, hilariously, “Uh-uh, no.”) Pookie: “Only seven seconds in and he’s already Nodding. This is great.”
0:30 Sid is discussing living at Mario’s, and in his squeaky voice sounds like an old, old man discussing how having four kids around the house (and seriously, aren’t Mario’s kids, like, teenagers now?) “grounds” him. Pookie: “They ground him because he’s a robot. Like, they physically ground him electrically.”
0:47 When asked whether he talks about hockey at the Lemieux house, he nods along with the question, then swings his head around sort of noncommittally and says, “Uhhh… probably not a lot to do with hockey.” Poor Sid. Not only can he not answer questions about what music he listens to, he can’t answer questions about what he talks about. People, this is simple: he doesn’t talk to Mario Lemieux. Would you?
0:51 Sid further explains, somewhat desperately and totally unconvincingly, that maybe he talks about stuff that’s “happening in life in general” when he’s home with the Lemieuxsli. Pookie: “What does he have going on ‘in life in general’ that isn’t hockey?”
1:14 It takes us several minutes to pick ourselves up off the floor from how hard we laugh when the infamous jeans question is asked. Jerri is trying to figure out how Sid hypothetically goes out shopping for random stuff (this would be a much easier question for Crunchy to answer, considering what a “driving around buying stuff” problem he has), and she makes the terrible logistical choice of “jeans” as the random, hypothetical object. Sid doesn’t do random. Sid doesn’t do hypothetical. Sid is nothing if not literal. And, nearly cracking his little wooden robot boy exterior with sheer mortification, he squirms that he, uh, doesn’t really go out much into Pittsburgh to buy jeans. He adds that jeans are hard for hockey players to buy. Jerri, blind, it seems, to Sid’s ginormous lower body (his ass muscles have ass muscles), tries for an “oh, we girls have to stick together!” jocularity that — tee hee! — buying jeans that fit is hard! Sid squirms further. And admits, in a move we will never — not until the day we are dead and buried — stop making fun of, that he gets his jeans custom made. Because his caboose is too copious to fit in regular jeans. Pookie, in her Sid voice: “I like these skinny jeans, but I need them to be a little more roomy in the rear…”
2:08 Sid discusses, warmly and graciously, how welcome and comfortable he feels in Pittsburgh, in particular how Penguins fans generally let him go about his business without being obnoxious. Jerri comments that she’s been in a situation with Sid where he was approached by fans seeking autographs, and she “felt claustrophobic”. Suddenly Sid is, for a fleeting moment, wearing a look of pure condescension — “Oh you poor little local news personality” his smirk seems to say, “How little you know about fame.”
2:26 He elaborates in this almost scarily “old hand” sort of way (because seriously, how is it a 19-year-old is so capable of handling the pressures of fame? It is amazing how his personality seems perfectly suited to being a phenom) about how he has learned to pick his spots to venture out into the public eye. Then he switches to grandfatherly storytelling mode, where he says, “I’ve told the story a ton of times where I went Christmas shopping at the last minute…” Yeah, we’ve heard that one a million times (seriously) — that Sid learned the hard way how crowded malls are on December 23rd. Pookie: “I bet that thing was staged. Just so Sid would have a flavoring personal experience to talk about during interviews. Next his handlers are going to make him go to, like, a rock concert. So he can say, ‘I’ve told this story a ton of times, but there was that time I went to an Nickelback concert…’” She then adds, “Of course it’s totally bogus that he even went to the mall before Christmas. We all know he just goes back home and gives everyone in his family an autographed stick.”
2:50 Oh poor Sid. This one’s even worse than “What’s your favorite band?” Jerri is trying to creep her way into his custom-built pants and asks, “Do you meet people? Do you have a girlfriend?” Unlike the favorite band question, though, he seems comfortably prepared for this. He only looks mostly like he’d love for the floor to swallow him up as he squeaks, “I’m single. It’s tough.” There are so many directions we want to go with this, that we’re just going to leave it be.
3:00 He tries to explain why he doesn’t have a girlfriend by saying “We don’t have a lot of time away from the rink.” Right. Hockey players as a rule don’t have enough time to spend with girls. Pookie: “Marty Brodeur is like, ‘WHAT? Well, if we only practiced as much as they do, I never would have had that trouble…’”
3:15 Jerri: “When you’re ready to find a girlfriend, what do you look for in them?” Boomer, from the depths of her chair: “I don’t know. Unkie Mario finds them for me.” We start to laugh uproariously, but then she continues, “He finds them and brings them to the house. Their names are Ginger and Fluffy… and… crap. I don’t know any stripper names.” Pookie: “No kidding. This is like Sid’s dating kittens.” Boomer continues unabated: “Uhhh… and Blaze?” (Pookie’s suggestion of what Sid looks for in a girl: “A receipt saying Unkie Mario paid for her”. Schnookie suggests: “A penis”.)
3:46 Jerri is now trying to fix him up. With herself. It is almost immeasurably sad and/or hilarious that he really earnestly explains that yes, he gets people trying to fix him up with girls all the time, and no, he doesn’t often take them up on the offers. We’ve said it before, and will likely say it many, many more times in the next 13 minutes: Poor Sid.
4:24 “This is the reason I wanted to interview you,” Jerri shifts gears when she realizes there no room in those custom-built jeans for her, “Autographs.” She explains that “a lot of Steelers” wanted Sid’s autograph (really? Which ones? For reals?), and asks which athletes’ autographs Sid wants. The sigh he heaves in response to this is almost epic in scope. Jerri, listen to us: Sid doesn’t care. Sid likes hockey. Period. End of discussion. Are other athletes’ autographs hockey? No. So he’s not interested. (For the record, he demurs but also came prepared by his handlers: he claims to have Heinz Ward’s John Hancock. Like we believe it. [Although if he does, we can only hope it's like the Brendan Shanahan autograph we have on a Margaritaville cocktail napkin that has an illustration of an heavily inebriated donkey on it. Not that we met Shanny at such an establishment. Boomer found the napkin on the ground outside the Whalers arena after our first live game and had Shanny sign it when we ran into him at the players' exit.])
4:56 The autograph discussion leads to Sid accidentally using the phrase, “sports other than hockey”. Jerri pounces. “What sports other than hockey do you like?” Pookie, in her most pathetic Sid voice: “Hockey.” (He explains that he likes football, but admits he didn’t before he moved to the States. He informs us that in Pittsburgh on Sundays everyone watches football, and Pookie concludes for him: “And I want to be like everyone. I can watch football!”)
5:33 Pressed further, Sid tosses out that he’s “pretty competitive” and played many sports when he was younger. “Baseball… anything… tennis…” Pookie adds: “Hockey… anything… hockey… um… hockey…”
5:43 Jerri decides to get Sid more relaxed by engaging him at pool. As he starts the game she conversationally asks, “So, who are your friends on the team?” (Pookie: “F-riends? What is this word?”) He answers just the way he answers the music question: “Everybody”. We don’t doubt many of his teammates, upon hearing this, had very painful experiences involving a forceful meeting of whatever they were drinking with the soft tissue in their nasal passages. He of course settles on “Army” as his friend, and when Jerri suggests that Colby, as Sid’s roomie, would be able to tell the most lurid stories about Sid, Sid says resignedly, “Yeah, he’ll give you some dirt if you need it.” It is almost scary how accommodating he is — he seriously sounds like he’s suggesting the best possible source for dirt on him.
6:05 Feeling like she’s got him on the run now, Jerri starts to ask another question and Sid actually deflects it. “It’s your turn.” She has no idea what he’s talking about. He is forced to explain the rules of pool. She sounds like us whenever we’re trying not to have to engage in sporting activity. Fake, lame, and pathetic. Anyway, she manages to sink a shot, then misses, and Sid gets very quiet as he contemplates his next shot. And, ditz she is, Jerri actually waits for him to set up before launching into her next question; Sid appears, if you’re looking for it, for just a moment to be really, really pissed at her. Jerri, which part of “insanely competitive” didn’t you pick up about this kid?
7:02 She asks him what he wants to do after hockey. Jerri — he’s 19. Give him a break. He is unprepared and a tiny bit taken aback. “I dunno…” he spins his wheels, then heartbreakingly says, “I don’t wanna think about it.” She tries to backtrack by saying something about how everyone just wants him to play forever, and then he chirps, in this little-kid naive sort of way, “Maybe something in hockey.” Sid. You’re killing us. When pressed, he says he wants to be an assistant coach because that’s easier than GMing or head coaching, and assistant coaches just get to “relax and hang out”. Pause, as Sid realizes what he’s just said. “Not that assistant coaches don’t work hard,” he scrambles, as Pierre McGuire starts composing his angry letter, “Dear Sidney, I will have you know I was an essential part of a Stanley Cup championship with the Penguins when I was an assistant coach. In fact, I now refer to that period of my life as ‘when I was a coach’, and will someday hope to fudge it up to ‘when I was a head coach’. So you can take your ‘relax and hang out’ and stuff it. With deepest love, Pierre. P.S. Are we still dating?” (Boomer suggests Sid wants to be an assistant coach like Larry Robinson. “He wants to play polo like Larry. Just imagine the jodhpurs he’d have to have made!”)
7:59 Jerri asks what kind of food Sid likes. When is she going to learn not to ask what his favorite things are? (For the record, he goes crazy and chooses “Italian… steak… [shrug]” as his faves. It is probably very difficult for him not to add, “Hockey”.) She pursues this further and asks if he gets mobbed when he’s out, and Sid explains that Pittsburgh fans are very mellow and reasonable, and “it’s not that bad here. Really.” Pookie: “Doesn’t it sound like he’s trying to convince himself of that?”
8:37 In a moment that makes us relive every excruciating “MOM! SHUT UP!” teenage moment from our lives, Jerri asks what kind of advice about girls Mario and Nathalie gave Sid. In an example of what an extraordinary talent for suffering through miserable interview experiences Sid’s got, he actually manages to answer by tiptoeing around explaining what we can only imagine was the most ridonkulous sex-ed lecture in the history of the universe. (Sid says, “Mario said on the ice to enjoy it, and off the ice to…” he trails off. Pookie concludes for him, “not enjoy it.”)
9:11 Jerri finally puts Sid out of his misery by changing the subject: “Everyone says how grounded you are!” Sid is genuinely, smilingly, unable to come up with an answer. He walks around his pool cue, shrugging helplessly, and then finally, sweetly, says, “I guess you’d have to talk to my parents about that.” Seriously, how is it possible not to like this guy?
9:29 Suddenly they’re discussing Cole Harbour, and Sid asks Jerri, “Have you ever been there?” He sounds like a greeter for the Nova Scotia Board of Tourism. He then ratchets it up a notch in his effort to someday get elected unanimously as the mayor of Cole Harbour and says, with unabashed pride, “If you go there I guarantee you’ll make five friends in the first day.” His genuine smile fades, though, when Jerri gushes, “You must be a hero there!” He doesn’t want to be a hero. He just wants to be mayor.
10:00 This interview hits its nadir right here. First, Jerri asks Sid who he calls back home with his exciting news, like, say, making the All-Star team. There is a moment of deeply painful silence as he tries to come up with an answer, and the best he has to offer is, “They all already know.” Damn. Jerri just forced Sid to admit he has no friends! And before the full ramifications of that excruciatingly sad truth can sink in, she goes in for the kill: “What kind of music do you like?” His answer comes swiftly and emphatically, clearly hoping it will be the final word in this line of questioning: “Everything.”
10:17 Jerri won’t take “Everything” for an answer, and she presses further, “What gets you motivated?” An expression of anger seems to flit across Sid’s face, and he contemplates quietly for a second. Then, as if it’s the same thing as choosing something for himself, he says, “A lot of the guys like to listen to Metallica.” Oh dear lord. This is the player who is going to Save Hockey — a guy who, when asked to name a band he likes, says, “someone else I know listens to these guys!” (He digs the hole deeper when Jerri makes him admit that he, in fact, does not like Metallica. “I don’t know… I like… Rock…” he stammers, and Pookie finishes for him, “and/or Roll.”) (To be fair, he names Foo Fighters and Three Days Grace as bands he likes. Jerri has not heard of the latter. “Am I too old?” she asks, and Pookie completes her question for her: “For you? Am I too old for you?”)
11:04 Jerri decides the pool game is over and she challenges Sid to bubble hockey. He lights up: “I have one of those at home!” Sid likes it because it’s hockey. (When they cut to the bubble hockey, she asks him to reiterate the “What do you want to do after hockey?” sequence from mere moments earlier. He does a remarkably earnest and professional job of pretending like he’s coming up with his answer anew. This really drives home how Sid spends every single day answering the same questions over and over again, before work, after work, during work. No wonder all his answers always sound the same.)
11:41 Hey, is this the first moment in Sid’s life where he’s actually sounded a bit like a teenage boy? He looks down at the bubble hockey game and exclaims, “Hey! This works out great! I got Canada! You got America –” suddenly concern creeps into his enthusiasm, “Are you American?” And that’s where he stops sounding like a teenaged kid. How he’s suddenly solicitously worried that he’s going to accidentally make this random TV interviewer represent the wrong country at bubble hockey.
11:55 We get a wide-angle shot of the two of them at the bubble hockey table, and Sid’s legs practically form a perfect circle for how outrageously bowed they are.
12:39 Jerri tries to explain why Sid’s kicking her ass at bubble hockey by repeating that “Sid has one of these at home.” Realizing how lame that sounds, Sid tries to back off his earlier enthusiasm for the game. “I’ve never used it,” he mumbles. He takes tremendous delight that she almost scores into her own net. “That would have been cool!” he delights.
13:30 When asked when he knew he would make it to the NHL, he very genuinely responds, “Last year.” Jerri is flummoxed. She refuses to believe he didn’t spend his preteen years swaggering around as the future superstar. “What do you mean,” she shrieks, “You didn’t think you were good enough?” He explains, “I was confident I could play, but I mean, it’s… for me at least it was just a dream… until then. For me, at least, I didn’t want to expect it.” Seriously. People. How is it possible not to like this guy?
14:05 Something unclear happens in the bubble hockey game that causes both Jerri and Sid to start cracking up. Sidney Crosby’s laugh literally defies description. It is just this escalating, high-pitched, “ho ho ho ho ho” that gets louder and faster and more operatic the harder he laughs. As much as his caboose should be a national treasure, so, too, should that ridiculous laugh.
14:46 Jerri asks “What else do we need to know about you, since we have a minute left?” Apparently the limit to Sid’s politeness is 14 minutes and 45 seconds, because he tersely responds, “I dunno.”
15:00 She presses Sid for gossip about his teammates. Sid tries to wriggle off the hook by claiming he’s terrible at remembering “stories” about guys. Then he decides to dish some “dirt” on Army “because he’s a good target”, and what does Sid consider to be wildly scandalous and titillating gossip about Colby Armstrong? “He snores.” Really? With that schnozz? We never would have guessed. Anyway, he continues to dish, “He snores like crazy.” Jerri, running with it: “So that keeps you up?” Sid: “No.” (He claims to be “one of those people who falls asleep within two minutes of their head hitting the pillow” and seems to be really proud of this. Pookie: “He’s so proud to be ‘one of those people’ because it means he’s part of a group.”)
16:07 Sid tries to wind the interview down by promising to film footage of Army snoring. He even offers to film it on his own camera. Such a valiant prince, sweet Sid is.
16:20 Once again Jerri asks him what else needs to be covered. Sid thinks they’ve hit everything: “We talked hockey. We talked about Army. [Pause] We talked about girls.” And that, in a nutshell explains Sid Crosby and the order of things in his universe.
Okay, I just watched the video, and I haven’t read your liveblog, so… don’t say anything mean about him! He’s so adorable!
And, whoever custom-cuts his jeans is doing a fine job!
I haven’t watched the video or read the liveblog yet but…
a tenderness and care that we feel for literally no one else. Not even real people we know. Not even each other.
Wow. I feel like I’m watching the Hallmark channel. (I’m not sure that’s actually even a channel but I think I’ve heard it referenced - so if not, whatever one of those tear jerker channels is).
Wow. I feel like I’m watching the Hallmark channel. (I’m not sure that’s actually even a channel but I think I’ve heard it referenced - so if not, whatever one of those tear jerker channels is).
We’re hoping the NHL Network will want a Hallmark Channel-esque (and yes, it’s a channel; I haven’t watched it, but I’m under the impression it plays “Sarah, Plain and Tall” on a constant loop) show to round out their programming and to attract the elusive middle-aged female demographic. Since they don’t seem to be buying our Reasons We Love Hockey like Bill suggested a few weeks ago, maybe they’ll buy “Loving Sid: A Tragedy”.
Man, Schnookie (and Pookie and Boomer in the background)! That was hilarious!
I keep thinking about how he’s 19 years old. My nephew is only 3 years younger, and all he ever says is “‘Sall good.” :D
At first, I thought he was just being nice by pointing out it was her turn and she got to go again at pool, but you’re right — it’s a game now, and he doesn’t appreciate dilly-dallying.
I should point out that Pookie is much more involved in the writing of these things than just being in the background… But thanks!
I remember being 19. I scripted and performed a sock puppet play for my German 101 class. And plastered my dorm room walls with pictures of Trent Reznor. And set up the foundation for my life as a relatively unemployable underachiever. Sid and I have so much in common!
My nephew is only 3 years younger, and all he ever says is “‘Sall good.” :D
That’s a great point Patty!
Oh, and in the “Sall good” vein, compare Sid to his professional cohorts — Jordan Staal is even less verbally coherent than Patty’s nephew!
Jordan Staal is even less verbally coherent than Patty’s nephew!
Hey, at least “Buy sod” is a complete sentence constructed entirely of real words!
Hey, at least “Buy sod” is a complete sentence constructed entirely of real words!
Pookie, you are on fire tonight!!!
Well, I should clarify. That’s all he says to me.
He’s actually very chatty once he forgets he should be cool. But it takes a little time for him to warm up. :D
Seriously, how is it possible not to like this guy?
It defies logic, it really does. He is both adorable and tragic. Not to mention bowlegged. What’s not to love?
Can interviewers please, for the sake of humanity, just accept the fact that Sid doesn’t listen to music, already? Because that section was probably the squirmiest two minutes of my life. So! Uncomfortable!
I keep thinking about how he’s 19 years old.
It is totally weird, Patty. I have to constantly remind myself that he’s a year younger than me and not, you know, 30 years older.
Awesome stuff, Ookies! Poor, poor, poor, poor Sid.
it’s a game now, and he doesn’t appreciate dilly-dallying.
Let’s hope no one ever, ever tries to interview Crunchy while playing pool. A pool cue is a formidable weapon.
And it’s a real sentence! It’s short for “It is all good, dearest auntie.” :D
This interview made me love him so much more. And it’s so great, because (barring the unforeseen) we’ll have twenty more years to watch him. Can you imagine what he’s going to be like at 29? 39?
It’s tough to choose, but I think the Metallica bit is my favorite.
“Some of the guys listen to Metallica!”
“Do you like them?”
“Oh, they’re okay, I guess.”
Thank you, ladies. This was adorable. I mean, it’s not like the material wasn’t right there but very nice job! :-)
I can imagine that Sid is going to be exactly the way he is now when he’s 109. I mean, he’s this goofy little old man trapped in the 19-year-old body of the greatest hockey player of his generation! (And yes, this interview, if you don’t already love him, will make anyone’s heart warm to the guy. Like Gambler said — so adorable and tragic. Although I might say he’s more adorkable than adorable…)
Seriously, how is it possible not to like this guy?
I hate Crosby on principle.
Man, Schnookie (and Pookie and Boomer in the background)!
When we started up IPB we set up the author credit to go with whoever was logged in, so each diary looks like it’s written by Schnookie, but it’s a team effort. Sure Schnookie does the actual writing, but many of the ideas and jokes are mine. I only mention this because right now I feel very much like I’m on a future episode of Behind the Blog on VH-1s NHL channel. Schnookie’s there in her ermine coats, discussing being better than Kukla, Mirtle and Spector combined, and I’m there in some trailer park hacking around a steady stream of cigarettes, “Yeah, I used to blog with Schnookie. She couldn’t have written that Sid diary without me! Now, mama needs her medicine! Hit me with another Jack-two-oh, will ya?”
I hate Crosby on principle.
It’s your loss! :P
Aww, you guys put this up just in time for his birthday, didn’t you?
…right now I feel very much like I’m on a future episode of Behind the Blog on VH-1s NHL channel.
Sorry about that, Pookie! Sometimes I think it’s you talking and I go up to the title to see who posted it so I don’t insult Schnookie. (Or vice versa.)
So don’t feel bad. I didn’t mean literally in the background. I just meant that it was a group effort. And a fine one.
I hate Crosby on principle.
What principle is that, Earl? Is that all the girls want to take him home with them so nobody else can hurt him?
Aww, you guys put this up just in time for his birthday, didn’t you?
Hey, wow — we totally did! (Um, on purpose. Completely on purpose… :P)
I hat principle is that, Earl? Is that all the girls want to take him home with them so nobody else can hurt him?
I’m too drinky to convey this now–but it has to do with Pittsburgh picking top-5 for a lot of years in a row, then beating out Anaheim in a ping-pong ball contest to pick first again.
I have to say, you guys are biased.
Course, as a Pittsburgher and a Pens fan, I’m biased too. :P
I remember this from February. (You can imagine, they cut it quite a bit for tv.)
However, I was watching this on Youtube a few weeks ago and just thinking, “if anything would prove he’s *not* a little wooden robot boy”….
I thought he seemed quite human in it.
I have to say, you guys are biased.
Oh crap. We’re found out!
Oh, and maybe I only catch flattering camera angles or something, but even for a guy with custom tailoring, I’ve never gotten the whole “oversized railroad car” thing. ;)
I will, however, contribute this towards the Sidney Joke Fund, because I thought it was funny as hell… http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Crosby
…does it work any better on liquor, Earl?
…it has to do with Pittsburgh picking top-5 for a lot of years in a row, then beating out Anaheim in a ping-pong ball contest to pick first again.
This pisses me off about Pittburgh and Lemieux. Not Sidney so much. But I totally agree that they got rewarded for some colossal ineptitude.
…does it work any better on liquor, Earl?
Crap. I’m found out. It works great!
…You forget, we also got Lemieux as a result of colossal ineptitude. ^_^
Oh DS, that was before my time (or Anaheim’s, come to think of it). But Crosby, he’s here and he’s hatable!
Did y’all mention that today is Sidbits’ birthday and I didn’t notice? Because it is!
Crosby’s is the day before mine and Brett Hull’s is the day after mine. How was I not a hockey fan at birth?
Happy soon-to-be-birthday, Patty!
To those one day off, go to hell!
DS, loved that wiki post on Crosby.
You forget, we also got Lemieux as a result of colossal ineptitude.
That was before my time, too. I guess that’s true of most teams that take the #1, but to get so many top fives in such a short time… pretty impressive.
To those one day off, go to hell!
Tee hee!
I’m with you on Brett Hull, but I’m not going to say that to poor little Sid.
Yes, Earl, as absolutely galling as it is to reward sucktacular performance with high draft picks….oh whatever. Try seeing out of the mound of Stanley Cup Championship stuff you have to console yourself with.
And hey, didn’t Anaheim just get a nice fresh batch of those draft picks?!
Oh, and thanks, Earl!
Maybe I’ll have a Jack2-O to celebrate.
Maybe I’ll have a Jack2-O to celebrate.
I’m one ahead of you…for now.
And hey, didn’t Anaheim just get a nice fresh batch of those draft picks?!
That’s soft, DS. We didn’t do it by allowing 300-or-so goals!
We didn’t do it by allowing 300-or-so goals!
No, you just expect it from Edmonton. :P
I don’t quite get the whole compensatory-draft-pick thing, anyway.
I mean if Team takes your guy and does spectacularly well as a result, wouldn’t those draft picks be a lot lower? Where’s the compensation in that?
Very nice summary, Ookies.
and seriously, aren’t Mario’s kids, like, teenagers now?
According to wikipedia, Mario and the Mrs were married in 1993, so assuming there were no out-of-wedlock kiddies, then the oldest could be 14-ish.
DS - Sports Argument Wiki is probably one of my favorite sites. The write-up on the rules of hockey and the diagram of the rink are hysterical.
According to wikipedia, Mario and the Mrs were married in 1993, so assuming there were no out-of-wedlock kiddies, then the oldest could be 14-ish.
I remember that the older ones were hardly wee little bairns when we started watching in 1996. The younger ones are, well, obviously, younger, but it always sounds when Sid’s talking about them like there’s a passel of preschoolers running around his apartments at Chateau Lemieux.
I’m not allowed to look at Sports Argument Wiki here — my employer thinks it’s “pornography”, which makes me wonder, once again, what Senor Spam thinks he’s doing letting this kind of smut into our comment threads! :P
it always sounds when Sid’s talking about them like there’s a passel of preschoolers running around his apartments at Chateau Lemieux.
Given that his spirit is roughly as old as time I think he can be excused for this one.
Given that his spirit is roughly as old as time
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It’s true. Anything that behaves like it’s too young to have witnessed the Crimean War is a whippersnapper as far as Sid’s concerned.
Wow! That SportsWiki on Crosby is so informative. For example, I had no idea his middle name was Patrick!
And happy birthday Sidney. I’ll send you MamaScarlett’s old fridge as your new girlfriend if you can fund a new one for her.
Anything that behaves like it’s too young to have witnessed the Crimean War is a whippersnapper as far as Sid’s concerned.
Yes, I can imagine him rocking away in his old chair, stick in hand and waving it at the Lemieux Poppets, yelling at them to get off his lawn.
I’ll send you MamaScarlett’s old fridge as your new girlfriend if you can fund a new one for her.
Well he got his mom a new washer already, so I dunno if he has enough cash on hand.
Holy flirking schnitt, that Sports Argument Wiki thing about Sid was too funny. Since Schnookie can’t read it at work, I decided to email bits of it to her, and ended up like copying the whole thing. I can’t decide with was my favorite part: John Leclair withering into a cabbage or the fact that the post was categorized under “People who are God or Jesus”.
Is it wrong that got a kick out of the Cam Ward.gif?
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Image:Cam_Ward_lol.gif
And the article on that site about Chris Chelios is hilarious. I can totally waste a whole day on this site!
Here on IPB it’s never, ever wrong to laugh at Cam Ward gifs… or anything else Cam Ward related.
Aww, but I love Cam Ward [/small voice]
Also, which one is Drury? The one being hoisted?
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Image:Druryll.jpg
Is it wrong that got a kick out of the Cam Ward.gif?
No, it might actually be a requirement to be a proper hockey fan.
Personally I really like this one. Keeping rocking bro.
That doesn’t look like a keytar or an electric oboe!
And he was wearing a cheesy “I lost your number” shirt too.
Oh, Crunchy.
Nice photoshop job on Soupy here.
That doesn’t look like a keytar or an electric oboe!
Don’t worry, it’s just a clever disguise. Seconds after that picture was taken the guitar was ditched in favour of a keytar.
As for that shirt, I have that shirt. Don’t hate on the shirt.
Mags, I bet you don’t have the version of that shirt that Crunchy has. On the back his says “Oh, and Schnookie peels my yogurt-covered raisins for me”. It’s kind of Crunchy-specific.
As for that shirt, I have that shirt. Don’t hate on the shirt.
I’ve just never seen a guy wearing that shirt, that’s all.
Mags, I bet you don’t have the version of that shirt that Crunchy has. On the back his says “Oh, and Schnookie peels my yogurt-covered raisins for me”. It’s kind of Crunchy-specific.
I’ll bet it does.
I’ve just never seen a guy wearing that shirt, that’s all.
Seriously? Loads of guys wear it here. It really is sort of dorky…
I’ve just never seen a guy wearing that shirt, that’s all.
Crunchy doesn’t let his wardrobe be dictated by something as narrow as gender identification. Life can’t be all about driving around wearing men’s clothing. If you know what Crunchy means…
Hee. Look at Crunchy rocking out in his gender neutral shirt! I love him!
Well, he’s certainly got the physique to rock the female sizes :P Not a knock against him…I wish I was that thin, really.
Someday when Crunchy and I have little Crunchlets, we’ll dress them only in yellows and greens. He’s very forward-thinking that way.
That’s good Schnookie! Don’t conform to the societal expectations or what IKEA believes a girl’s bedroom should look like. Let them have the power to choose!
So maybe I have a Google Reader feed set up for news items about Sid Crosby, what of it? It brings me joyous things like this Toronto Star horoscope:
If today is your birthday: From now on, everything is going to be easy – no more hassle, hardship or heartache. Granted, that’s a slight exaggeration. But truly, you will find that by this time next year, certain vital areas of your life will be noticeably improved. Happy birthday to Sidney Crosby, 20.
Nothing official yet but apparently Cammalleri got 2 years, $6.7 million
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=215628&hubname=nhl
I think it’s official. Rich Hammond on Inside the Kings has confirmed it, and I think he’s pretty buddy-buddy with Dean Lombardi.
Seriously, though. Gomez, 84 points, $5 M/yr. Cammalleri, 80 points, $3.35/yr. What gives?
Oh, and it really begs the question, what would Penner’s 45 points have got him in arbitration?
Seriously, though. Gomez, 84 points, $5 M/yr. Cammalleri, 80 points, $3.35/yr. What gives?
2 Stanley Cup rings?
What gives?
The New York Rangers, apparently.
what would Penner’s 45 points have got him in arbitration?
Not more than Cammalleri, thats for sure. He was the best player on the Kings team, which isn’t exactly setting the bar very high but that still counts for something I guess.
Oh and Doug McLean, who hasn’t been able to find a new job since getting axed by Columbus is apparently going to buy the Tampa Bay Lightning:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=215627&hubname=nhl
Oh and Doug McLean, who hasn’t been able to find a new job since getting axed by Columbus is apparently going to buy the Tampa Bay Lightning
When I get fired by my employer, I fully intend to just buy one of our competitors in response. “Oh, I’m fired for too much non-work-related internet use? Well, I guess I’ll just buy Pfizer, then.”
It reminds me of the Looney Tunes episode [which is fresh in my mind cause I just watched it last night] where Daffy Duck was the host of the game show and kept on torturing Porky until finally he gave Porky the jackpot and then he proceeded to use the money to buy the station.
I’m not strange at all.
2 Stanley Cup rings?
Possibly, but if you look at last year’s arbitration results, almost everybody got a really high number. Unflinching was the system last year. This year, I sense a lot more sympathy.
Put it this way: I would guess that most of this year’s arbitration rulings would have got a lot more out of arbitration last summer than this summer, even though the cap has increased.
Where’s Vinny to get my back on this one?
There’s nothing strange to watching Looney Tunes and then referring to them all the time! I mean, some of us spent nearly two hours last night game diarizing a 15-minute Sid Crosby interview… I guess what I’m saying is that I’m in no position to judge! :-)
Oh man, the Sabres nickname list on sportsargumentwiki is awesome!
Some highlights,
Tomas Vanek: Vanek! At The Disco
Drew Stafford: The Ice Devouring Sex Tornado
Adam Mair: SMM (Surface-To-Mair Missile)
Daniel Paille: “The Balls”
I agree with you, Earl, that the aribitration awards were much bigger last summer. It’s been night and day between this summer and last. Although I’ll also argue that Scott Gomez had a fair deal more ammunition going into arbitration than Cammalleri did.
Hmm, yeah I’ve sort of spent all morning on that site. And the Brian Leetch nesting dolls are sort of adorable:
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Brian_Leetch
Sure, but here’s the ever-wise Mirtle: Here’s a final thought: How can Mike York be awarded a $2.85-million contract by an arbitrator after a 13-goal season in 2006, and a guy who has averaged 30 goals over the past two years (Cammalleri) get a shade more ($3.35-million per season) a year later?
There’s a problem with arbitration and that problem is consistency.
From now on when you see the word “Staffy” on IPB, please read it as “The Ice Devouring Sex Tornado”.
There’s a problem with arbitration and that problem is consistency.
I read that earlier this morning and got a nice het on about it because he’s so right!
So I guess my round-about point is this: Aside from the story that Burke didn’t know his arbitration rights, I still kind of agree with the idea of not taking Penner to arbitration, based on the high dollars awarded last summer. Also perhaps Burke wanted more than a 2-year-deal, and figured he could get that worked out himself.
But now, if arbiters have suddenly got soft, it looks like a less-solid move, but how should Burke have guessed that this was the summer of low-salary awards?
And is this something I should expect next summer? Is my desire to get a Getzlaf extension signed soon (before a big year) foolish, if arbiters are suddenly getting GM-friendly?
Is my desire to get a Getzlaf extension signed soon (before a big year) foolish, if arbiters are suddenly getting GM-friendly?
With a player like Getzlaf, who is by all accounts a cornerstone-of-the-franchise kind of guy, it would be foolish to let it go to arbitration. Get him locked up to something long-term rather than letting someone else decide his short-term fate! (Furthermore, unless Burke is planning to take Getzi to arbitration, rather than the other way around, [and that seems like a move that can only breed discontent on Getzi's part] there’s too good a chance some crazy-assed other GM gets to set his contract with an offer sheet before a Burke-friendly arbitrator gets involved.)
(Furthermore, unless Burke is planning to take Getzi to arbitration, rather than the other way around, [and that seems like a move that can only breed discontent on Getzi’s part] there’s too good a chance some crazy-assed other GM gets to set his contract with an offer sheet before a Burke-friendly arbitrator gets involved.)
Frankly, I’m not concerned about this at all. Burke’s learned his lesson, and is definitely not going to leave the valuable kids exposed. I guess my concern is whether they need to be negotiated right now or early next summer before offer sheet season.
Okay, that’s it! I came to IPB, read through the comments, got to Earl’s 82, since then nothing. You guys do stop talking when I enter the room!
I’m sorry Icing, we really wanted to be subtle about it :P
No, just kidding…I’m actually occupied with real work at my ‘job’ right now…plus reading SAS.
Here’s a gem about Mike Johnson:
Cabbie: So when you’re on the road, do you get the remote?
Mike: No, not often.
Cabbie: What is that? Don’t you wanna be a man?
Mike: There’s other ways that I get to be the man in there.
Cabbie: [Stunned silence]
I keep killing comments by talking about arbitration rather than gush about how Crosby is the best thing ever. Sorry about that.
I can’t access this fun and exciting site that’s consuming everyone’s morning. So I have nothing to add other than that I’m off by myself moping.
I keep killing comments by talking about arbitration rather than gush about how Crosby is the best thing ever. Sorry about that.
I tried adding something to the arbitration discussion, but apparently “winning” is too much on an intangible to be included in a statbits! :P
And I’m also unsure how to take the statement “Burke’s learned his lesson”. I’m of the opinion that it’s best to never assume crazy GMs like Burke ever learn their lesson. It’s just so much less fun if they do (see: Clarke, Bobby)!
Sorry, I really have nothing to add about the whole arbitration situation. Because nobody on my team has gone through that in two seasons so I really have no vested interest in it.
And hey, not everybody was gushing about Crosby.
Because nobody on my team has gone through that in two seasons so I really have no vested interest in it.
I have to agree that LA Kings arbitration hearings don’t get me hot and bothered. Which is why SI gushes about Earl’s blog and not IPB!
Because nobody on my team has gone through that in two seasons so I really have no vested interest in it.
Same here, not that my vote really counts in the comment killing sense, since I just showed up, well…right now.
True say. I suppose my whole take on arbitration is that it doesn’t exactly inspire a good working relationship but it is absolutely necessary. If I’m remembering my past HR course correctly, it’s more or less the last ditch effort of mediation in contract negotiations. The NHLPA and other sports unions are in an unique situation since every member is paid such differing salaries for essentially the same job.
The Senators have been luckily enough to avoid arbitration with their RFAs. I think Ottawa’s the type of play that has trouble attracting the big name free agents but once people get there they really enjoy playing there.
I showed my mom that wiki page on Sid, and she said, “Poor kid. I hope he doesn’t develop a drug problem, or something.” I just about died laughing. Really? Drugs? Unless you’re referring to the kinds of things regularly advertised during an episode of The Price Is Right, Sid’s sure he doesn’t know what you’re talking about. Want some Ginko Baloba?
I tried adding something to the arbitration discussion, but apparently “winning” is too much on an intangible to be included in a statbits! :P
Winning matters, but it doesn’t matter $1.65 million per year. And besides, it’s tough to argue that a Devils team with Cammalleri wouldn’t win as much as a Devils team with Gomez. Their contribution and substitutability to team success is tough to rationalize.
And I’m also unsure how to take the statement “Burke’s learned his lesson”.
Whatever. I’ll just say it’s not a concern of mine.
I keep killing comments by talking about arbitration rather than gush about how Crosby is the best thing ever. Sorry about that.
If it helps Earl, I appreciated your comments. Sorry I can’t help move the discussion along, but I’m trying to get some work done myself. I’m trying to get a the whole first week of September off but my boss doesn’t like the idea because of the size of my backlog.
And I’m also unsure how to take the statement “Burke’s learned his lesson”.
Whatever. I’ll just say it’s not a concern of mine.
Come on, Earl, I was just joking! Sheesh!
He needs some alkey to loosen up :P
I’m actually curious as to who the arbitrators are. Obviously you want somebody who understands hockey, yet you can’t have anybody that would have a bias one way or the other.
but my boss doesn’t like the idea because of the size of my backlog.
There is a first-rate Crosby joke hidden somewhere in there, but I’ll leave it to the Sidfans to find it.
Their contribution and substitutability to team success is tough to rationalize.
I totally see what you’re saying, but surely it’s easy to rationalize that Gomez has already won 2 Cups. Do the arbiters not take into consideration past accomplishments? Or do they really just look at 80 points versus 84 points?
And sure, there’s plenty of reasons why you might not care what Cammalleri gets paid by the Kings, but just in terms of general arbiter decisions–they are huge. Really it is their job to evaluate the marketplace and determine (based on performance) what a leaguewide-typical RFA raise should be. In that sense they should at least be interesting–RFA re-signing is a huge part of offseason maintenance in any year, and probably the easiest benchmark to use is arbitration (third-party) decisions, though it kind of gets blown if arbiters vary year-to-year.
“Winning matters, but it doesn’t matter $1.65 million per year. And besides, it’s tough to argue that a Devils team with Cammalleri wouldn’t win as much as a Devils team with Gomez.”
Two words, people: Rane Jers
Glen Sather is a moron of Kevin Lowe proportions. Hence the disgusting contracts handed to Drury and Gomez based strictly on hype. That is the only issue here. Well, maybe not the only one, but it’s a biggun.
Do the arbiters not take into consideration past accomplishments? Or do they really just look at 80 points versus 84 points?
They probably consider it some, but does Gomez win those cups if he’s drafted by the Kings instead? I think the points totals matter a lot more in the final equation.
Just ask Crosby, Briere, Hossa, Heatley, Naslund, Iginla, etc. Lots of money gets spent on players with lots of points and no cups.
Yes, I know why arbitration decisions are important to the business of the game, thank you very much, Professor Earl. The fact of the matter is, the business of the game isn’t what blows my skirt up. I’m one of those girly fans who prefers to not really think of it as a business, but rather as sport, pure and true. And, anyway, math is hard!
They not only vary from year to year, but from arbitrator to arbitrator. Obviously Trent Hunter’s ruling didn’t have that much of an impact on Cammalleri’s, unless Lombardi managed to make a really good case as to why he didn’t deserve Dustin Penner money.
I also can’t believe ‘Dustin Penner money’ is now a part of our lexicon.
Hee. Andrew, I’m calling them the Rane Jers from now on.
Also, UFA contracts can’t be used in determining arbitration awards. Only RFA contracts can be held up as comparision.
Comparing Gomer and Cammi in terms of salary is just, well, apples and oranges.
Earl….apples and oranges. Flame on!
Just ask Crosby, Briere, Hossa, Heatley, Naslund, Iginla, etc. Lots of money gets spent on players with lots of points and no cups.
Sure, but isn’t part of a player’s value their ability to bring intangibles such as, oh, I don’t know, EXPERIENCE? Isn’t that why teams bring in rent-a-players with Cup experience at the deadline? So wouldn’t Gomez’s experience winning 2 Cups with the Devils make him more valuable to the Rangers than Cammalleri’s lack of playoff experience? I know this is less of an issue for the arbitrator, but my argument is that I bristle when you contend that Gomez and Cammalleri are equals because of their point totals. The issue for me isn’t whether Gomez could have won hypothetical Cups if he hypothetically was drafted by the Kings. The issue for me is the fact that Gomez has Stanley Cup Champion pedigree which inherently makes him a more valuable player.
I’m one of those girly fans who prefers to not really think of it as a business, but rather as sport, pure and true.
Yeah, there was this stupid thing called the lockout that really killed that for me. Second is the salary cap–nothing’s purely a hockey deal anymore.
I would say that it’s not my desire to understand the business of hockey–it’s the NHL’s and NHLPA’s desire imposed on me.
Comparing Gomer and Cammi in terms of salary is just, well, apples and oranges.
Earl….apples and oranges. Flame on!
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Thanks Katebits. I was just trying to be best phonetic speller I could possibly be.
UFA contracts can’t be used in determining arbitration awards. Only RFA contracts can be held up as comparision.
It’s true that they can’t, but I’m sure it still happens even though it makes no sense since the amount of leverage one has in each situation is completely different.
There is something pleasingly girly about “Rane Jers”. Consider my skirt blown up.
I’m not really here to say that Gomez and Cammalleri are equals, I’m sure you’d take Gomez every time if they were the same price. And sure, building a team experience certainly matters. I purely use them as arbitration comparables–but if that bothers you go ahead and use Mike York.
I don’t disagree that Gomez should have earned more than Cammalleri–but $5M on a $48M salary cap and $3.4M on a $50M salary cap are very different figures for what to my eye seem like not-that-very-different season results.
I haven’t read it in a while, but there is specific CBA language that talks about what an arbiter is supposed to consider and not supposed to consider. Maybe that’s worth a re-read this weekend.
Can I just say that the off season sucks?
I purely use them as arbitration comparables–but if that bothers you go ahead and use Mike York.
Thank you. I feel much better now.
With respect to arbitration, it’s hard to ask for consistency when all that is most people are made aware of about the proceedings is simply that a player is going to arbitration, the player and the team make their cases, and the arbitrator rules on a salary. The real story should be how each side make (or has made) their case and how the arbitrator has been swayed. It’s possible Cammalleri and his agent didn’t make a good one and the Kings did or it’s possible Cammalleri and his agent made a great case but the arbitrator felt otherwise or a different metric was used or something else. As I understand it, there’s a lot of grey area in the proceedings which has a large effect on how it finishes.
With respect to the original post - wow. I don’t know whether you three are just too hard on Crosby or whether the interviewer was just that creepy. I will say it was funny, though.
are very different figures for what to my eye seem like not-that-very-different season results.
That’s the thing, season results. I don’t have an opinion on it either way but some people can point to the fact that it’s not really hard for Cammalleri to be a standout on a team that continually finishes outside of the playoffs. The Devils are perennial playoff teams and Gomez still managed not to be overshadowed by anyone else at his position on the team.
That argument does also work the other way around. Just depends on how you want to spin it. Also, the whole leverage thing is entirely different. Gomez had the right to hold out and wait for the highest offer and make the 12 or so teams bidding on him sweat a little, Cammalleri didn’t have that freedom until the Kings said so.
Can I just say that the off season sucks?
Amen. Bill Simmons wrote a colum last week about how this summer goes down in history as one of the worst sports summers ever. His points all had to do with Barry Bonds and Doherty, but I’m inclined to agree with him that this summer has been epically bad just all around. Of course, one of the other summers he picked happened to be one of the seminal summers in my life as a sports fan, which made me laugh pretty hard. Looking back objectively, the summer of 1994 royally sucked, but in the hazy golden glow of my memory, it was all seeing my first ever World Cup, realizing I was committed enough to sports that I woudl stay up until 4:30 in the morning to watch the NBA Finals broadcast in German on Swiss TV, and finally, seeing live hockey for the first time.
With respect to the original post - wow. I don’t know whether you three are just too hard on Crosby or whether the interviewer was just that creepy.
The interviewer was just that creepy.
Oh Sherry, I’m not sure if I’m understanding you, but just in case I’m referring to Gomez last summer, when he was an RFA that went to arbitration. Agreed, this summer was a completely different story for the guy.
Hm, yeah then I misunderstood…or rather I didn’t read clearly because I’m doing three different things at once. Heh. I also forgot Gomez went to arbitration last year…my memory doesn’t go back that far.
I also don’t know why the weather reports have been saying that it was supposed to storm all last week and then decided today, the day that I wear a skirt to work is the day to open up the flood gates. Thanks, nature.
Of course, one of the other summers he picked happened to be one of the seminal summers in my life as a sports fan
Me too, Pookie, because this is the summer I became a sports fan. I’m hoping that once the hockey season starts it will all just feel like sunshine, unicorns and rainbows.
I’m also disinclined to get too mentally (or emotionally) involved with issues like arbitration. I just want to watch hockey again. I have genuinely hated witnessing all of the off-season moves, and if I could somehow press a button and stay blissfully unaware of the off-season hockey antics, I would press that button. I would press it hard.