For as long as we can remember we’ve had one reliable Crazy Team, an organization we could count on to defy our every expectation of how wacked out they could possibly be. And that team, Gentle Reader, was the Philadelphia Flyers. When we wished on them a playoff failure, they’d go and top our wildest dreams by losing 8-0 on their own ice to significantly inferior teams. When we hoped to see a colossal collapse, they’d go out and have their goalie give up impossibly crazy goals, then skate toward his own bench while play was going on, screaming furiously in unintelligible Czech at his own teammates. When we prayed to the hockey gods that they’d reveal a tragicomic leadership void in that organization, we were treated to the Great Debacle of the 2000 Eastern Conference Final. But we’re wondering now, at the outset of this new season, if maybe the Flyers’ Reign of Crazy is coming to an end. Are we looking at the dawn of a new age of crazy?
See, here’s the thing: last season the Flyers peaked in Craziness. (Okay, that’s not entirely true. They peaked in the aforementioned Great Debacle, that was so debaclous that it was like a pandemic of debacling. But we digress.) They stunk up the Eastern Conference so badly at the start of the year that they broke their fans’ spirits, sent Peter Forsberg into a legacy-destroying tailspin, and finally, finally got Bobby Clarke fired. But then they quietly started acquiring decent players, installed a coach who seems to be a pretty good fit for those players, and became almost unrecognizable for how they went about their business like a team that has its head screwed on relatively straight. We realize it’s probably too much to expect a team that is no longer run by Bobby Clarke to be reliably Crazy, but we’re also curious about the way things played out on July 1. We think we may have seen a glimmer of the New Crazy. And that New Crazy is the New York Rangers.
It made perfect sense for the Rangers to sign Scott Gomez. (Okay, that’s not entirely true. It made perfect sense for them to keep Nylander, but we digress.) He’s young, he was a big-name UFA, he has been a noted Ranger-killer in his career, and it was a great way for them to stick it to the Devils. For a few minutes after that signing was reported we were devastated. But then the Rangers did something that salvaged the day for us by being too crazy to explain: they signed Drury too. Wha-huh??? Why would they do that? What is the point of that? It was the UFA contract equivalent of Roman Chechmanek’s garbled tirade toward his own bench. There doesn’t really seem to be a place in the lineup for both of those guys, it creates some obviously suspect chemistry issues, and it left the Rangers barely able to re-sign the rest of their own RFAs. Our Crazy-Team Spidey senses tingled all summer when we thought about the Rangers, and then after just the first pre-season game we started getting the first reports of the impending Debacle, in that Jagr and Gomez weren’t clicking. It’s too early to say for sure, but seriously, there seems to be a ton of Crazy Team promise on Broadway. And in hindsight, we should have seen it coming — consider how the Devils’ sweep of the Rangers in the 2006 playoffs had almost as many Crazy ingredients as the 2000 ECF. There was the way, with three games left in the regular season, the Rangers had the division title all but locked up, but on the last night of the year the Devils snatched it away from them to grab home ice. Then there was the panicky goaltending switch (a classic Flyers Crazy move). Then there was the Jagr shoulder separation, which was later described by the New York Times as “the stupidest injury in New York sports history”. We should have known then. And if we didn’t pick it up during that series, we should have spotted the Crazy when Sean Avery was the missing factor to make their chemistry work last year.
So here’s what we’re wondering today — are the New York Rangers the new Crazy Team in the NHL? Or are the Flyers still just as crazy as before, but kind of in a period of dormancy, just waiting to unleash the “oh no they di’n't!” when we most expect it? Or is there some other team quietly assuming the mantle off our radar? Was the Senators collapse in the SCF a sign of the Crazy, like the Flyers in 1997? Or is the mere presence of Brian Burke (and his bizarro roster choices) enough to make the Ducks the New Crazy? Does Edmonton count, or does Crazy require some playoff presence? Or is Crazy happening too close for us to notice it, right under our noses, where coaches get fired with three games left in the season and captains get mysteriously stripped of their “C”s in training camp?

Dude! Awesome post! Crazy is everywhere….
*shifty eyes*
(But the Rangers are the craziest. *fingers crossed*)
I’m never going to stop crossing my fingers, until Hank starts screaming wildly in Swedish at an oblivious Jagr when they’re losing 6-0 to an 8-seed at the Garden in the first round of the playoffs. When that happens, I’ll know they’re the crazy ones. Until then… I’m just hoping it’s not us.
He’s young, he was a big-name UFA, he has been a noted Ranger-killer in his career, and it was a great way for them to stick it to the Devils. For a few minutes after that signing was reported we were devastated. But then the Rangers did something that salvaged the day for us by being too crazy to explain: they signed Drury too.
Does that make them Crazy?
…probably.
I always get a bit confused when I wander by and there are less than 1380498567340483207562034 comments here… makes me think I’m missing something… LIKE MY MIND.
*shifty eyes of her own*
This is such an good post. I actually feel a little scared in my apartment right now. The idea that the Rangers might be sane and we are all the crazy ones is …..hugely disturbing, but in a sort of horror movie kind of way. Like that scary story about the babysitter who gets the crank-call traced and it turns out, “The call is coming from inside the house!”
I always get a bit confused when I wander by and there are less than 1380498567340483207562034 comments here… makes me think I’m missing something… LIKE MY MIND.
*shifty eyes of her own*
I like the the -Ookies tend to post right around 11PM. No matter what my work schedule is, I’m online right around that time. So I can be in on the ground floor of all the comment craziness right from the beginning. Jumping into a 218 comment conversation is a daunting task.
makes me think I’m missing something… LIKE MY MIND.
Well, we all knew that… :D
Katebits, you are so right about the babysitter story. Except in this case the big scary reveal is, “Mr. Sather, we’ve traced the calls. They’re coming from Bobby Clarke, INSIDE YOUR OWN HEAD!” Actually, HG, are you sure Bobby Clarke isn’t taking over your mind?
And yes, Josh, signing Gomez AND Drury clearly makes the Rangers Crazy. I’m glad you’re on board with this theory!
Jumping into a 218 comment conversation is a daunting task.
Oh, see, there’s never any reason to read the previous 218 comments. I spend all day at work just waiting for someone to jump in and start randomly talking Devils with me, regardless of what else is going on! (I can see the appeal of an empty comment thread, though. :D)
Jumping into a 218 comment conversation is a daunting task.
No kidding. I’m waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind on comments. But jumping in to say hi IPB. What’s up? I miss you all.
(I can see the appeal of an empty comment thread, though. :D)
It’s like a clean slate, wherein the conversation can be taken any number of ways upon the whim of the commentor. I consider myself lucky when I stuble across a low-numbered comment thread ’round here, lol.
Alls I knows about empty comment threads is that when we have them I sit there, sweat beading on my brow, wondering, “Where is everybody?” I get so desperately lonely! :P
I wish I had something to contribute here, but I am just too hungover from yesterday!
Really though, I am so glad I have IPB to educate me about Flyers history. I had no idea we were crazy. Stupid…that I knew. But crazy? I had no idea!
The 2000 ECF were so insane I regaled a non-hockey, non-sports fan with 2 hours worth of analysis of it, and she hung on every word. It was just that crazy.
I had no idea we were crazy. Stupid…that I knew. But crazy? I had no idea!
I feel like Bobby Clarke made your team transcend stupid into the rarified air of Crazy, especially with the way things played out in 2000. Without that ECF collapse (with the Roger Neilson and the Eric Lindros, and the captaincy, and all the madness), just think, they might be an outwardly functional franchise, hiding their Crazy from everyone… (Although really, it might all have just been Bobby Clarke, which then suggests the New Crazy is attendant on the GM alone. That theory makes Edmonton and Anaheim the frontrunners, no?)
It’s like a clean slate, wherein the conversation can be taken any number of ways upon the whim of the commentor.
Oh, Josh, you can do that at any time. We all do it!
Listen, Chris Drury had already dropped the gloves in defense of Jaromir Jagr, a player who is so his opposite that I still can’t believe they’re wearing the same jersey. The crazy has already begun, people!
The crazy has already begun, people!
We need to keep a running tally of the craziness. Because I bet by the end of the season, the craziness will be at such a level, none of us will believe it. I mean, I still sit here sometimes and think, “Did that stuff really happen in Philly? It couldn’t have… that’s just too crazy!” And I can really see that happening in NY this year.
And I can really see that happening in NY this year.
Hee! This could be fun!
Oooh. If you start a new page (or something) chronicling the Rangers Crazy now, by the end of the season you will be considered geniuses. Everyone else seems to be under the Rangers’ spell.
Someday you will have to tell me all about the 2000 Flyers.
Everyone else seems to be under the Rangers’ spell.
That’s definitely the best part. By the end of the season people will be scrambling, erasing all signs of Rangers support, and swearing they knew things were never, ever going to work not in a million years!
If you start a new page (or something) chronicling the Rangers Crazy now, by the end of the season you will be considered geniuses.
Hm, perhaps we need an entry in the wiki?
Ah, the 2000 Flyers. In 8 days we can give you the full story. To whet your appetite I’ll just mention that the craziness culminated in a coach being demoted for getting cancer and then having his GM blame him for getting sick. Yeah. You heard me right.
Everyone else seems to be under the Rangers’ spell.
What’s great is there is one person who never, ever falls under their spell — Larry Brooks of the NY Post. His columns are usually really ridiculous and he’s not often really right about anything in particular, but if you want to enjoy reading about the Rangers failing, check out any of his editorials. At the end of the season we can email him a link to the wiki and he’ll give us a special Honorary Larry Brooks for a Day award.
Hey, more craziness — I’m upset that Avery is out for 4 weeks. Maybe he can still poison the room by making several poisoning visits a week?
I was offered Avery in a trade. The nerve!!! (Not b/c of the injury, this was before that, but because, hello! Avery!!!) :)
I’m really hoping Avery is required to make regular Craziness visitations. I mean, if we want to foment Crazy, we need the wellspring of Crazy to be in their dressing room as often as possible.
I know! I was sad too! Avery is a keep ingredient in the Rangers crazy brew. On the other hand, maybe without him Drury can get his troops in line, only to have Avery come back in a month to mess it all up. The addition (or re-addition) of Avery, where once there was NO Avery cannot be good for any locker room. While his injury might provide a temporary respite, he’ll be baaaaack. (And hopefully they will have created some semblance of cohesive chemistry for him to destroy.)
…my theory here is that he might ultimately be MORE devastating after an absence.
Katebits, I think there is no way around the devastation of Avery. Either he makes things awful for them by constantly being a detriment to his team, or he disappears for a while, makes them all realize how nice it is not to have him around, and then he comes back and is doubly detrimental. We can’t lose!
Kate, I like the way you’re thinking. I can also imagine Avery making regular visits, thinking he’s keeping everyone’s spirits up, they’ll be happy to see him etc. when everyone just really wants him to go away. (You’re no Teppo, Sean.)
Katebits, I think there is no way around the devastation of Avery.
:D
Sean Avery might be my new favorite player!
When I first started watching hockey and reading IPB, one of you commented that “hate is a much better fuel for hockey than love”, at the time I thought that was INSANITY, but I’m totally coming around to this theory. Sure, I want the Sabres to win the Cup, but I would also experience genuine joy from a spectacular (and prolonged) Rangers collapse. Real, genuine happiness.
Well, I hate more teams than I love, so yeah — I’m generally going to be happier if I focus on the teams I hate losing than the teams I love winning! :D
And as much as it pains me to say, I think I probably need to go to bed now. And I’ve got my Rangers-hating het on right now and everything! Stupid having to go to work tomorrow. See you all in the morning!
You have to work on Columbus Day? What an OUTRAGE!
Goodnight, Schnookie!
Goodnight, Schnookie! I don’t have to work either job tomorrow so party at the B’s house! Woo-hooooooO!
You have to work on Columbus Day? What an OUTRAGE!
Not to mention Thanksgiving Day in Canada.
Totally ridonkulous outrage!
I thought today was Thanksgiving in Canada!
Thanksgiving Day in Canada is the 2nd Monday in October but often people celebrate it on the Sunday.
Oh! Thanks, Icing.
NP, Katebits :) Happy Canadian Thanksgiving :)
Canadians are very thankful people!
Alls I knows about empty comment threads is that when we have them I sit there, sweat beading on my brow, wondering, “Where is everybody?” I get so desperately lonely! :P
I believe that would be a pretty good time to shout “Rangers suck!” because like we’ve said before, it’s (almost) always a good time to declare that the Rangers do, in fact, suck.
Oh and you guys have have have to finish Shattuck Boys. I found myself hitting on my down arrow on the last page expecting it to go to the next and then realized it was the last page. It was a horrible feeling and now I’m just excited for the rest of it.
Add me to the list of people working on this holiday.
Does Edmonton count, or does Crazy require some playoff presence?
I don’t think Crazy requires playoff presence. Playoff presence is like the icing on the Crazy cake. Delicious and oh-so-yummy, but not required, as cake can stand on its own.
Edmonton does have the Crazy, in my opinion. They gave Lowe a contract extension despite the fact that he’s publicly pissed off two teams and was having trouble signing free agents this off-season. I wonder if the Crazy is one of the reasons that the Mrs’s. Pronger and Peca threw hissy fits about their husbands playing in Edmonton?
Add me to the list of people working on this holiday.
Me too! Theorectically, I can’t complain, since working today means I get Election Day off, but the NHL never schedules hockey on Election Day afternoon so I guess that means I can complain. Stupid scheduler scheduling the Devils to play at 3:00 today. I might have to maintain radio silence from 3 on, just so I don’t find out how the game is going.
Happy Thanksgiving to all our Canadian Gentle Readers and Irregulars!
Hey, it looks like the Devils themselves are saying the same things us Devils fans are saying. “Forecheck!? Love it!” Here’s IPB Manor’s favorite Paulie Martin on the new coach’s system:
“We have to know when to pinch. When to pinch? Those are new words. That’s probably the first time I’ve said that,” Martin said of the previously verboten blue line gamble.
Hee hee!
Hee! Paulie is such a darling little S,PAW, isn’t he?
And I am so relieved to hear it’s Canadian Thanksgiving, a holiday that actually deserves daytime hockey, unlike, say Columbus Day. When I saw the schedule I was like, “But no one gets Columbus Day off anymore! What are they thinking???” Thanksgiving, though, makes a lot more sense.
Now, as for the Oilers and the Crazy, I have to say that it wasn’t a desire to avoid the Crazy that made the Prongers and Peca so adamant about leaving — it was just the Crazy itself that made that happen. It’s like Desjardins and the Flyers’ captaincy; he didn’t ask to have his “C” removed because he didn’t want to be captaining a Crazy team. Instead, he was like, “Woo woo woo! It’s CRAZY here! I’m gonna beg out from under this ‘C’ now because I’m CRAZY!”
Wow, I just noticed the start time for today’s game. Why didn’t anybody remind me about it yesterday? I guess at lunch I will have to scramble home, find my blank DVD’s and relearn how to set the timer on my DVR. Now that’s going to be CRAZY!
As if on cue, Larry Brooks wrote a delightfully cranky article about the Rangers falling apart in today’s NY Post:
LINK
Schnookie posits that he wrote this over the summer and couldn’t wait to publish it. I am inclined to agree! Make sure you don’t miss what he writes about the players on the point for the power play!
We set our DVRs to record the game, but I’m still going to go home at 3 to make sure it’s recording correctly. Because you never know when DirecTV is going to decide it doesn’t want you recording one feed, because it wants you to be watching a different one. I keep thinking, “Just record on the FSNY channel, and it’ll all be good,” but then MSG’ll go and shunt the Devils off onto some RSNa feed. It’s so awful. And I wouldn’t want to miss what is likely to be a very grisly loss to the Senators, would I?
No, no you wouldn’t. :P
I don’t trust my electronics either, but I doubt my boss will let leave at 2:00 (I’m on Central time). I tried to record a Team USA game from the World Junior Championship a few months ago but for some reason it changed channels on its own halfway through thew game. I guess I should try putting a piece of tape over the remote sensor so that the neighbors remote doesn’t change the channel.
I guess I should try putting a piece of tape over the remote sensor so that the neighbors remote doesn’t change the channel.
Oh, man, I hate that! We used to live in a townhouse complex that didn’t have cable, so everyone had dishes. And during primetime it was like a war trying to beat the channel-changers into submission. I remember just hitting the “back” button on the remote repeatedly for a full 5-10 minutes, just trying to get the neighbors to give up and turn off their TVs. The worst was when a playoff OT would suddenly flip to the Golf Channel. (Of course, since they weren’t Center Ice subscribers, they were the ones being forcibly treated to “Channel not available. For ordering information call x721.”)
Don’t the Islanders get a slice of that crazy pie? The past two seasons the front office has been a blue print for a bizzaro world business plan. Hirings and firings and general monkeyshines followed by the mass exodous of players.
And it has trickle down effect- look at DiPietro! He’s certifiable out there. He can barely skate, but drifts all over the crease and the trapezoid.
And isn’t the whip cream on their crazy pie propping up Christy Brinkley as your promotional celebrity? (Dollars to donuts, she spends as little time in Nassau County as she can.) And, to deliberately mix metaphors here, that has the crazy stink of bus station bathroom.
Stalky, you’re definitely right that the Islanders have been reliably crazy in the off-seasons, but they’ve been kind of disappointingly normal on the ice, haven’t they? At least when you factor out that DiPietro is bonkers… But while they seem to me to be a pretty ho-hum “not that good, but not that awful, either” team performance-wise, really, pound-for-pound, no one offers more of the Crazy when it comes to management.
And what is up with the Christy Brinkley thing? She did that celebrity blog crap for them last spring, and now she’s their mascot? Is this because Carol Alt has defected to more glamorous NY-team waters?
Hirings and firings and general monkeyshines followed by the mass exodous of players.
I agree that the Islanders should be included. That Wang guy is nuts! ;P
Also, “monkeyshines” is a great way to describe it.
The past two seasons the front office has been a blue print for a bizzaro world business plan.
The past two seasons? How long ago did that weirdness happen that the owner turned out to be a fraud? The only reason I don’t think the Isles get to be a Crazy Team with a captial C and a captail T is that no one ever has any expectations for them. But they most certainly are a crazy team with lower case letters.
Wow! You weren’t kidding about old Larry Brooks? My burning question is, if/when Drury stops producing for awhile, will Brooks give him the smackdown? Or is he going to treat Drury with kid LLWS gloves too?
Hirings and firings and general monkeyshines followed by the mass exodous of players. And it has trickle down effect- look at DiPietro! He’s certifiable out there. He can barely skate, but drifts all over the crease and the trapezoid.
And, lets not forget, DP almost killed one of his teammates with a clearing pass the other night. I never saw someone hit the deck so fast before!
A writer for CNNSi brought up during Monday night’s game that the Islanders resemble the French Foreign Legion: the unwanted, the unloved, the unwashed. Which he pointed out fits in with Ted Nolan’s style of coaching and existing: woe is us, nobody loves us, lets stick it to them.
My burning question is, if/when Drury stops producing for awhile, will Brooks give him the smackdown?
Oh you KNOW he will. Larry Brooks is merciless. That’s why, even though he’s certifiable, he’s also on my list of must-reads.
As for the Islanders, I’m kind of thinking they’re in their own special class of Crazy. Like, it’s unfair to hold them up against the rest of the league, because what they do defies the laws of NHL Crazy physics. Pookie makes a good point to bring up the John Spano thing, and Kevin Lowe is just cutting his baby teeth if he’s planning to put together a GM career as storied as Mike Milbury’s. But the Islanders never qualified in my mind as Crazy like the Flyers because they never mattered. They operate in their own cuckoo clock universe, and when the playoffs roll around they’re either not there or feebly going out in the first round, and then they just bide their time until the Stanley Cup has been won by someone else and they can start grabbing headlines with their insanity again. But the Flyers? They were always doing their Crazy with Cup expectations attached. (Oh, and that stuff about the French Foreign Legion? BRILLIANT!)
My burning question is, if/when Drury stops producing for awhile, will Brooks give him the smackdown
No one is safe from Larry Brooks. No one. If there is anyone who won’t treat Drury with kid gloves, it’s Brooks.
Yay!
Gomez with Jagr and Shanahan with Drury would be hysterical. Too totally different mindsets on the top two lines. Oh, man, I love Larry Brooks.
Oohhh, I forgot about Mike Milbury for a moment. That crazy cloud is insidious in its effect! Wang seems a different owner, but I think he’s looking more towards a winning Isles franchise as a piece of his real estate redevelopment for the Vets Coliseum land than any serious drive for the Cup.
French Foreign Legion is appropriate, too. Definitely not of the Beau Geste variety, closer to that episode of The Monkees than anything.
I agree, the crazy scale for the Isles is different. They are More Charlie Cheswick or Tabes than RP McMurphy. But Nolan is a good Nurse Ratched.
Brinkly boggles the mind though. The ceremonial opening night puck drop, she really look scared that Guerin was going to whack it out of her hand.
Brinkly boggles the mind though. The ceremonial opening night puck drop, she really look scared that Guerin was going to whack it out of her hand.
I agree. When I think of Uptown Girl, I don’t think of Long Island. There was also another random celeb sighting the other night, too. Yahoo has some pics of Kevin Connolly of Entourage taking shots on the ice. I swear, the hockey stick is bigger than he is.
French Foreign Legion is appropriate, too. Definitely not of the Beau Geste variety, closer to that episode of The Monkees than anything.
I was thinking the Pepe Le Pew version, myself.
Brinkly boggles the mind though. The ceremonial opening night puck drop, she really look scared that Guerin was going to whack it out of her hand.
I thought that was weird. Um, Christie? They’re not going to hurt you. They’re hockey players, not field mines.
Kevin Connolly and Mike Bossy did some in betwen period game where they shot pucks into a net for charity or something. Connolly made two and Bossy made two and the charity got like 300$ USD. Open goal, by the by.
More people cheered for the ReMAX balloon dropping car wash coupons and the Islander Ice Girls T-shirt cannon that followed.
I will say Guerin/ Comrie line looked good. And Campoli/ Gervais are a decent defensive combo.
Gomez with Jagr and Shanahan with Drury would be hysterical.
I have to be honest — that’s what I thought they were planning when they signed those guys. I mean, it makes no sense at all to say to Jagr, “You are notoriously difficult to motivate, and we’ve finally found a guy in Nylander with whom you enjoy skating. But we let him walk, and instead replaced him with some shinier toys, but instead of letting you skate with the actually talented playmaker, we’re going to let a glorified third-line center skate with you.” I mean, on what planet is Drury a top-line center? Planet CRAZY, that’s which planet. I find this Drury/Jagr and Shanny/Gomer combination even more hysterical than the other way around.
Oh, and by the way — here’s my reason of the day why I love IPB:
French Foreign Legion is appropriate, too. Definitely not of the Beau Geste variety, closer to that episode of The Monkees than anything.
I was thinking the Pepe Le Pew version, myself.
How many hockey blogs are having that exchange today?
Yikes, TSN’s reporting that Jason Blake of the Leafs was diagnosed with a rare form of leukemia.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=220161&hubname=nhl
Brinkly boggles the mind though. The ceremonial opening night puck drop, she really look scared that Guerin was going to whack it out of her hand.
There’s a picture of the puck drop on the Sabres website and Jochen Hecht has a pretty good, “What the hell is this?” look on his face.
Yikes, TSN’s reporting that Jason Blake of the Leafs was diagnosed with a rare form of leukemia.
Wow, that blows. Sounds like a pretty good prognosis though.
I just saw that, Amy! How terrible for him. It is absolutely amazing, though, that it’s something that is apparently so easily managed. I mean, you read a headline saying a player has leukemia, and then the article says that he’s not expected to miss any playing time. Just… wow.
I mean, you read a headline saying a player has leukemia, and then the article says that he’s not expected to miss any playing time. Just… wow.
What a fascinating modern age we live in.
I wish Blake a swift recovery!
It is pretty remarkable. “I have leukemia but yeah, I’m taking a pill every day so it’s all good.”
I mean, you read a headline saying a player has leukemia, and then the article says that he’s not expected to miss any playing time. Just… wow.
That really is amazing. Poor guy. Must be pretty shocking to hear, even if there’s a fairly good prognosis.
Oh. Good luck Jason Blake!
I just saw that, Amy! How terrible for him. It is absolutely amazing, though, that it’s something that is apparently so easily managed. I mean, you read a headline saying a player has leukemia, and then the article says that he’s not expected to miss any playing time. Just… wow.
Modern medicine is amazing, isn’t it? And the irony of it all is that his announcement comes during Hockey Fights Cancer month.
Good morning, everyone (or afternoon, you lazy east-coasters).
I am exhausted. Here’s a good lesson for you: watch out trying to fly two red-eye flights in a 6-day span–it will get you.
Especially if that 2nd red-eye is taking you to a college-reunionish wedding reception; there’s not much sleep to be made up there.
Oh well, I guess I’m just trying to better sympathize with the Ducks’ insane travel. Thank goodness the rest of the Pacific has taken sympathy and decided to start awfully as well.
Hey, Sleek! How was the wedding otherwise? No last-minute backing out by the bride or groom? Any Funniest Home Video-worthy moments?
Ahh! Someone mentioned it again! So I have to ask again: what is this ‘Shattuck Boys’ thing that you guys have apparently written and where can I find it?
The wedding itself was pretty good–maybe my favorite wedding moment ever (of all weddings I’ve seen) was the groom’s dad at a special moment in the service get up and pull out his accordion to play a piece he composed himself.
It wasn’t just that he played it, but the way he was eyeballing his son the whole time–it was touching and awesome.
The reception was kick-ass. Thank goodness I’m done with college–even my liver can’t take a regular beating of that magnitude.
(Also, thank goodness I was stupid and didn’t look at the NHL calendar for this Columbus trip–kept me from sitting through the Ducks getting murdered for 60 minutes).
Hey, will we be close that you guys could toss a copy of Shattuck Boys over the glass toward Crunchy’s crease? The poor guy could probably use something to read while he waits for the bus to drive him the three miles back to the hotel.
Earl, the wedding sounds fantastic! And definitely way better than sitting through that Ducks/Jackets game. As for all the red-eyes you’ve been flying lately, you have my most profound, undying sympathy.
Mara, if you email us at interchangeablepartsblog[at]gmail[dot]com I can send you a copy of SB when I get home from work today!
…maybe my favorite wedding moment ever (of all weddings I’ve seen) was the groom’s dad at a special moment in the service get up and pull out his accordion to play a piece he composed himself.
Aww. How sweet!
And definitely way better than sitting through that Ducks/Jackets game.
Actually, I did sit through it on my couch before hitting the red-eye, but at least I was able to stay amused chatting it all up with Martle. And as I’ve alluded to in my BoC posts, I have built up a lot of emotional preparation for the first six games of the year (average distance traveled = 1,945 miles per game). Plus factor in the missing personnel and sure, throw in some cup hangover too.
Entirely predictable, the start of this year. Still sometimes I just hate it when I’m right.
Earl, we hate it when you’re right too.
Don’t worry, Heather B.! As soon as I’m not feeling cripplingly tired, I plan on throwing together an optimism post a la Top Shelf!
I guess the main difference between the Ducks starting badly and the Sabres starting badly is that nobody in the Pacific has bothered to pass the Ducks in the standings yet.
Don’t worry, Heather B.! As soon as I’m not feeling cripplingly tired, I plan on throwing together an optimism post a la Top Shelf!
It’s me and Kate against the world here in Buffalo. We are evidently, doomed, destined for defeat, and may as well pack it in for the season. It’s a lost year, it’s hopeless, let’s fire management, get a new roster, and start over next year.
I guess the main difference between the Ducks starting badly and the Sabres starting badly is that nobody in the Pacific has bothered to pass the Ducks in the standings yet.
Yeah, I don’t know how we’re going to overcome that crippling 4 point lead our division has over us right now.
Soooo… What’s going on in the world of Scott Niedermayer?
I agree with the post and all of the comments so far. The Isles are crazy, but not with a capital C. I’ll say a capital K. The Milbury period had to be some kind of experiment on dealing with the mentally handicapped. There is no explanation. But even when the Isles were winners, they were Krazy, Trottier, Gillies, and Billy Smith were nuts. And the one time Mike Bossy ever threw a check, he threw someone through the glass. And the lack of expectations makes them more of a sideshow than a legit Crazy Team. The Islanders Krazy Kontraption of Hockey, if you will.
But the fact that the Kraziness is kind of working is even more alarming. The backup goalie/GM thing should have been a huge disaster, and he’s made almost uniformally excellent moves (I still say Darth Smyth was not a mistake). The Krazy goalie has been really good (if unnerving). The spare parts are a fairly cohesive on-ice unit. It’s Krazy, I tell you. Krazy!
But I think that this summer officially cements the CT staus of the Rangers. There is no way you could look at their defense and say, “what we need is Scott Gomez!”
I guess the main difference between the Ducks starting badly and the Sabres starting badly is that nobody in the Pacific has bothered to pass the Ducks in the standings yet.
We do better when things are tighter, so we decided to hang back until you started to catch up. Then we’ll zoom! out ahead of you.
And Heather, I know just what you mean. It’s very annoying when the only thing anybody will say is how the entire staff should be fired and all the players traded. I mean, look what the Rangers did! Why didn’t we do that!
The Islanders Krazy Kontraption of Hockey, if you will.
As usual, you hit the nail on the head, Margee! I have to say I really miss Milbury already. Does anybody here remember the MSG round table GM discussion they had about, oh say, 8 years ago? MSG had Lou, Neil Smith and Milbury sit down for a 30 minute round-table discussion. Lou was his typical self, Smith got smarmier and smarier and Milbury just proceeded to get more and more, well, krazy, as the show went on that I was so sure he was going to be pulling off his shoe again to beat someone over the head with it. It was classic.
Soooo… What’s going on in the world of Scott Niedermayer?
All I’ve heard is that he and Teemu were given permission (by the league, I guess) to attend the banner-raising ceremony on Wednesday, plus some ominous quote on Kukla’s last week that he doesn’t intend to draw this out much longer than that day.
Hopefully Scott watched the CBJ game on Friday though. That was one of the lone bright spots–thinking that hey, at least the team suffering on the ice (took ‘em 16 minutes to find out who was playing goal on the other end) might help influence Scotty/Teemu in a returnish sort of way.
C’mon, Ducks! Tank one for Scotty!
Margee, you are so right! The Isles are all about the Krazy! (That’s probably why I can’t stop laughing at them — it’s like crazy management as done by the Keystone Kops, and we all know there’s nothing I love more than the Keystone Kops.)
There is no way you could look at their defense and say, “what we need is Scott Gomez!”
But don’t you know that all Devils forwards are really good on their own side of the puck? They can’t help it. They don’t lose their defensive responsibility as soon as they leave the system; instead they bring a germ of the system with them, to infect all their new teammates with a sense of defensive soundness that the new coaching staff is either too idiotic or too lazy to instill on their own. Look at Bobby Holik! And Bill Guerin! And Jason Arnott! Or, uh, not. (And Slats says, “Whatever you do, don’t look at how defensively incompetent Gomez was even when he was in the Devils system…”)
I’m convinced that even if the Islanders win the Cup, they’ll still be considered Krazy. And they should be. There’s too much history. You know, the you-can’t put-lipstick-on-a-pig thing. It’s all the hairspray and Lexus exhaust in the Long Island environs. I’m kool with it though. It’s nice to have a team as disturbed as I am.
I mean, look what the Rangers did! Why didn’t we do that!
Oh, Lord. If I hear, “Why don’t WE have a Free Agent Line?” one more time I’m going to choke somebody. If Comrie, that Little Bitch, is still tearing it up next month, then we’ll talk. No, you know what we won’t. Because I’m pretty sure that in the long run Vanek, Roy, and Stafford will prove to be better investments than TLB and Butthead Guerin.
It’s nice to have a team as disturbed as I am.
I wasn’t going to say it… :D
I don’t know what the landscape of the NHL would be like if the Islanders weren’t krazy. I’m not sure that’s a world I want to live in!
Heather, what in Comrie’s and Guerin’s past histories is suggesting to you that their production might tail off? Where do you get these outlandish notions???
Heather, what in Comrie’s and Guerin’s past histories is suggesting to you that their production might tail off? Where do you get these outlandish notions???
Just a strange, niggly feeling, Schnookie :-) Heck, I’ll be impressed if they produce against a defense that doesn’t look like a bunch of Timbits on the ice.
I like to imagine Garth Snow showing up at the office every day in full goalie gear. If that doesn’t happen, please don’t tell me.
It’s all the hairspray and Lexus exhaust in the Long Island environs.
I think Nassau Collisseum plays a big role in this, seriously. Can you imagine a not-krazy team playing in that dump? No! Can you imagine the Islanders playing anywhere else? No! Well, there you go!
Pookie, I think you’re on to something with Nassau Colisseum. It has me all worried that the Devils are going to become the kind of team I hate now that they’re going to have a super-fancy new arena. CAA was the Devils of arenas! I miss it already!
Fair enough.
Heather B., the panic is hilarious right now from Brooks and fans. Does anyone remember how awesome the Thrashers seemed to be in the first week last year? It’s two games. It’s a drop in the bucket!
I think the Mets have proven to us all the a hot start does not a season make. Sniff.
I like to imagine Garth Snow showing up at the office every day in full goalie gear. If that doesn’t happen, please don’t tell me.
Sounds like a “This Is Sportscenter” commercial waiting to happen.
I think the Mets have proven to us all the a hot start does not a season make. Sniff.
Sniff indeed. My little brother is still in mourning.
The Sabres last year—->Great first half
The Senators last year—->Wretched, god awful first half
I don’t really know what else to say to Buffalo. It’s hard to swim against the flow. I hope I make it through the season.
The Mausoleum is totally the architectural equivalent of the team. Stubbornly standing, bizarrely assembled, too small, and loud.
The Mausoleum is totally the architectural equivalent of the team. Stubbornly standing, bizarrely assembled, too small, and loud.
Nice!
If Wang gets his way and “rebuilds” Nassau Vets into a “multi-use” facility, will the Isles lose their krazy edge?
Will they graduate from the allitterative label and become full fledged crazy? Or will they remain true to their polluted Naussau County roots?
Oh, hey, I just realized I can watching the Devils game on my free CI Online preview. Goody!
Question: Which is the better c/krazy, Rangers or Isles?
I think the Mets have proven to us all the a hot start does not a season make. Sniff.
Still, it is worth noting that the last three cup winners all had excellent starts to their year, particularly in their first 16 games (about 20% of the season):
FIRST SIXTEEN GAMES
Tampa Bay 03-04: 11-2-3, took points in 14 of 16 games
Carolina 05-06: 12-3-1, took points in 13 of 16 games
Anaheim 06-07: 12-0-4, took points in 16 of 16 games
It’s by no means a hard rule, but it’s going to be a hard trend for NHL writers to ignore.
Question: Which is the better c/krazy, Rangers or Isles?
The Isles are the friendlier, cuter kind of crazy. I really just want to pat them on their heads and say, “Gosh, you guys are so crazy it’s cute.” The Rangers are, I think, a much more dangerous kind of crazy.
To anyone watching the Devils game in real time, I have a request — do not breath a single word about it. I’m tivoing it and plan to watch it tonight and I don’t want to know ANYTHING that happens in it. In fact, I might just log out at 3, just to be safe…
I think I’d rather be krazy than crazy. I mean, when you’re krazy it’s kind of fun and you own it and all. When you’re crazy you’re expected to win Stanley Cups and instead implode catastrophically.
It’s by no means a hard rule, but it’s going to be a hard trend for NHL writers to ignore.
LALALLALALALALALALALAALALALA! I CAN’T HEAR YOU!
Okay, okay… Sixteen games. When we’ve played sixteen games, maybe I’ll worry a little. Maybe this is a compromise Buffalo and I can agree on. Although I will also point out that the Sabres had a great record after sixteen games last season and it didn’t mean butkus in the end.
If Wang gets his way and “rebuilds” Nassau Vets into a “multi-use” facility, will the Isles lose their krazy edge?
You can bright and shiny up the krazy, but underneath it all is still krazy.
To anyone watching the Devils game in real time, I have a request — do not breath a single word about it. I’m tivoing it and plan to watch it tonight and I don’t want to know ANYTHING that happens in it. In fact, I might just log out at 3, just to be safe…
My lips are sealed! I’ll probably get bored before it’s over anyway.
I think I’d agree with the k- crazy. It has a local neighborhood nutjob feel to it. Like the guy on your block that collects broken chairs and tables from the garbage and tries to fix them and then sell at the monthly street wide garage sale.
The regular crazy doens’t fool around. They’re the collecting ears in the fridge kind of crazy.
Although I will also point out that the Sabres had a great record after sixteen games last season and it didn’t mean butkus in the end.
True, 14-1-1 is nothing to sniff at. Still, it is worth pointing out that half those wins came after 60 minutes.
Even so, taking points 15 out of 16 games is better than what the Lightning or ‘Canes did. Just less than the October-’06-loving Ducks.
Amy, I agree, krazy goes all the way to the bone.
(Apologies for the Isles rat-hole trip. I’m struggling through Melville’s Typee and I’ve got islanders on the brain…)
True, 14-1-1 is nothing to sniff at. Still, it is worth pointing out that half those wins came after 60 minutes.
Even so, taking points 15 out of 16 games is better than what the Lightning or ‘Canes did. Just less than the October-’06-loving Ducks.
All right, I’m done arguing statbits with the statbitty master! Just you wait until the 0-16 to start the season Sabres are playing for the Stanley Cup though! :-)
All right, I’m done arguing statbits with the statbitty master! Just you wait until the 0-16 to start the season Sabres are playing for the Stanley Cup though! :-)
Heather, if either one of those events happens, you’ll need to have the smelling salts available for the internet people. Its amazing how 2% of the season has brought out eleventy-seven percent of the krazy in people about the team.
Heather, if it’s any consolation while Earl hurls irrefutable statbits at you, I have a hard and fast rule about looking at the standings: October 8 is WAAAAAAAAY too early in the year to even be thinking about it. Sure, if the Sabres are 0-16 a few weeks from now, it might be fair to panic, but 0-2? *eye roll*
To be fair, the Senators had an agonizingly awful start but they won a couple of games. Like…1 out of 5. Awful couple of months but it was a good excuse to get bladdered :P
…still wanna know what ‘Shattuck Boys’ is!
The 2000 playoffs were the first hockey I’d EVER WATCHED and I remember being totally drawn in by the batshit crazy going on in Philly.
Sure, if the Sabres are 0-16 a few weeks from now, it might be fair to panic, but 0-2? *eye roll*
Oh, I’m not judging anybody yet, but I am telling you what I’ll be looking for in a couple of weeks at about the 16 game mark. Even the Ducks crappy start doesn’t have me that forlorn, but it had better be followed pretty soon by some serious winning or my posts will start getting a lot more Rudyesque.
To be fair, the Senators had an agonizingly awful start but they won a couple of games. Like…1 out of 5. Awful couple of months but it was a good excuse to get bladdered :P
Sadly, I do not drink. I’m assuming that’s what “bladdered” is. But the Senators of last year are my current inspiration. Maybe in Februrary someone can pummel Chris Neil in the head, start a huge brawl involving the Sens sending out their goons (whomever they may be) to jump Vanek and Roy (Lindy will know better than to have soft-headed Timmy on the ice), and the whole season will turn around. That’s strictly an if-needed plan however.
but it had better be followed pretty soon by some serious winning or my posts will start getting a lot more Rudyesque.
While I get what you’re going for Earl, I feel the world could use more Rudyesque posts.
I’m tivoing it and plan to watch it tonight and I don’t want to know ANYTHING that happens in it. In fact, I might just log out at 3, just to be safe
Just to be safe I set the DVR in the living room to record it, the VCR in the bedroom to record it. Put electrical tape over previously mentioned sensors, and locked Wu Fei in the spare room so he couldn’t accidentally step on any remotes or power switches. So that means that a thunderstorm will surely pass through Owensboro and I will have two copies of three hours worth of “LOST SIGNAL: PLEASE WAIT.”
I’m tivoing it and plan to watch it tonight and I don’t want to know ANYTHING that happens in it. In fact, I might just log out at 3, just to be safe
I’m actually watching this, live, on my tv (thank you TV Gods THANK YOU) I’ll TRY to keep my mouth shut. Try very, very, very hard.
So that means that a thunderstorm will surely pass through Owensboro and I will have two copies of three hours worth of “LOST SIGNAL: PLEASE WAIT.”
Murphy’s Law eh.
Everyone having a good day? A good, if slightly crayzay day? (and the 2000 ECF? I missed that… What happened?)
. Maybe in Februrary someone can pummel Chris Neil in the head, start a huge brawl involving the Sens sending out their goons (whomever they may be) to jump Vanek and Roy (Lindy will know better than to have soft-headed Timmy on the ice)
Heh I actually think our season turned around when Spezza and Fisher both went down with knee injuries so if your theory does prove to be true, you’ll need somebody out there to take out Vanek and Roy…or whoever the equivalents on the Sabres are.
I feel the world could use more Rudyesque posts.
Agreed.
Unfortunately my free Centre Ice online preview ends tomorrow but they felt it would be extremely humourous to black out all the games on today. Guess it’s listening on Team 1200 for me.
Whenever I’m setting my TiVo for a game, I try to remember to manually set it to record an extra 30 minutes, because very few games really end in under 2:30. But that’s what the schedule says.
The really infuriating thing is when the start is somehow delayed and it goes to overtime and you miss the end.
Or, like Mr. Frisby mentioned, the dreaded storm when you’re not there. That’s how I missed the first and (probably) only Philippe Boucher hat trick last season.
Unfortunately my free Centre Ice online preview ends tomorrow but they felt it would be extremely humourous to black out all the games on today.
Wow. Major bummer.
Heh I actually think our season turned around when Spezza and Fisher both went down with knee injuries so if your theory does prove to be true, you’ll need somebody out there to take out Vanek and Roy…or whoever the equivalents on the Sabres are.
Hmmmm… I’ll have to think that one over for a while. I’m not sure Buffalo (the fans, not the team) can handle any injuries this year.
According my screen, the Devils game will be starting momentarily but we’ll see. I haven’t had a lot of luck with CI Online so far.
Whenever I’m setting my TiVo for a game, I try to remember to manually set it to record an extra 30 minutes, because very few games really end in under 2:30. But that’s what the schedule says.
That’s what I do with my DVDR, but you’d THINK that TiVo would be smart enough to figure out that Show X hadn’t ended. Seems like some kind of ’show-is-ending’ signal to the machine be pretty easy to program in, to override the scheduled time slot. And since so many people use TiVo for sports, you’d think there’d be a big demand for that function!
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Seriously, is the link to the Shattuck Boys story, like, a state secret?
Oh, blech, XM radio is giving Messier his own show. He finally retired and STILL won’t go away.
Mara, what’s your email? I can send it to you if you need to know THAT badly :P
Mara, what’s your email? I can send it to you if you need to know THAT badly :P
I do! I do! (Mostly just because I’ve been asking for a bit and getting no response, and so now I’m dying of curiosity every time someone references it.)
19inblack [at] comcast [dot] net is the one I give out on the big bad Internet. Thanks, Mags. :)
Mostly just because I’ve been asking for a bit and getting no response
Shattuk boys is an enigma wrapped in a barrel wrapped in prosciutto (that was what the Katebits version of the phrase was right?) that you can’t really explain without having read it… And you’re welcome.
I do! I do! (Mostly just because I’ve been asking for a bit and getting no response, and so now I’m dying of curiosity every time someone references it.)
mara, you must’ve disappeared momentarily because Schnookie said she’d said it to you after work if you sent her your email address. It’s worth reading so I’m glad you’re getting it! And when is it getting finished anyway?
I think this article about http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/preview2007/news/story?id=3036959>Drury and Gomez on ESPN has already been posted but did you guys check out the video about the photoshoot they did for ESPN the magazine? Why do they have to buy these guys jerseys shouldn’t they you know…already have them?
All right, I don’t know how much giggling I can take about Chris Neil getting away with penalties. I was hoping to get the Jersey broadcast so I could hear Doc in a non-Versus setting.
Patty, you only extend your tivoed games by 30 minutes? We go with the full 3 hours. I mean, you never know if there are going to be 85 fights, and 22 delays for broken glass panes, and maybe a lengthy “bring the stretcher out on the ice” delay, and perhaps the lights won’t turn on, and maybe Mike Keenan is coaching one of the participating teams so there are 6,000 goalie switches. And our new Tivo Series 3 actually asks, when you set it to record a game, “This is a live sporting event. Would you like to extend the recording time?” It’s so smart! (And so not compatible with our Comcast cable service, but that’s neither here nor there today…) Oh, and we thought we were solving the thunderstorm problem when we got cable. Silly us! Little did we know our cable WOULDN’T WORK! (Okay, that’s really neither here nor there. I’ll stop now…)
Mara, I was totally going to email SB your way this afternoon! Sorry I wasn’t around when you were so antsy to find out more about it — there is some info about it in the Glossary, though, you know. :D
Why do they have to buy these guys jerseys shouldn’t they you know…already have them?
Sorry, I guess nobody’s around to answer questions. Nobody wants to know what’s going on in the NJD game, apparently.
I guess my key difference is I don’t care to know.
They won’t stop talking about Chris Neil! Isn’t there anyone else on this team?!
Heather, which stream is the broadcast running on? I think I saw on Sportsnet that they were showing it locally (and blacking it out for the rest of us, bastards!)
The Team 1200 always has fairly balanced play-by-play and certainly not short on Brodeur love.
Sherry, I found that whole video to be almost as annoying as the article. “Oooh, this would never happen in Jersey or Buffalo!” What, people looking at you angrily because you and your shoot are in the way because they have no idea who you are and don’t really care? No, probably not.
Sherry, I haven’t caught who exactly the announcers are but it’s related to Rogers if that helps.
Sorry, I guess nobody’s around to answer questions. Nobody wants to know what’s going on in the NJD game, apparently.
Don’t say anything! The NJD fans are trying not to hear!
Don’t say anything! The NJD fans are trying not to hear!
It’s currently tied up at 6 and Brodeur and Spezza got tossed for dropping the gloves. (Marty kicked ass.) Oh, wait they didn’t want to know. My bad! Forget I said anything!
Then it’s definitely Sportsnet. I’ve actually never watched a Senators game on Sportsnet, only Leafs games and they’re clearly homers but since it’s Leafs games, you can’t expect any less.
Also, Heather I saw the link about the Player Tunes’ selections for the arena music and for some reason “Come Away With Me” by Norah Jones doesn’t seem like appropriate arena music. Also, “Country Grammar”? Really?
It’s currently tied up at 6 and Brodeur and Spezza got tossed for dropping the gloves. (Marty kicked ass.)
Yeah, all that donut weight really did poor Spezz in.
Sherry, I am going to waste you. I’m sorry.
It’s currently tied up at 6 and Brodeur and Spezza got tossed for dropping the gloves.
The game is also delayed because an anonymous turtle leapt over the boards onto Vermette’s face in an attempt to “scratch out his pretty little eyes”. Weird.
I forgot how annoying the Senators radio announcers are in their inability to pronounce “Brodeur”. Bro-dyeer?
The game is also delayed because an anonymous turtle leapt over the boards onto Vermette’s face in an attempt to “scratch out his pretty little eyes”
Oh, we’re pretty used to those kinds of delays these days. Thus the 3-hour extension on our tivo recording times.
Also, Heather I saw the link about the Player Tunes’ selections for the arena music and for some reason “Come Away With Me” by Norah Jones doesn’t seem like appropriate arena music. Also, “Country Grammar”? Really?
I was sure I was thinking about the wrong song because I can’t even imagine when “Come Away With Me” would be played in an arena. But Nelly! Oh, man that totally kills me! That made me love Jochen a little more than I already do. And seriously, this is going to be awesome, I know it. Most of the guys will be fairly predictable I think (Connolly: lots of rap, Campbell: lots of Tragically Hip, Lydman: ear-splitting thrash metal) but I know there’s going to be a lot of mock-worthy things.
The game is also delayed because an anonymous turtle leapt over the boards onto Vermette’s face in an attempt to “scratch out his pretty little eyes”.
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Boxworthy wore a disguise so he’d be more anonymous. He’s got a little fake nose-glasses dealie on.
He’s got a little fake nose-glasses dealie on.
Ah, no wonder I couldn’t recognize him!
Anyways I got to head back to Hamilton now so I’ll have no idea what’s going on with the game either. See you guys!
Bye, Sherry! Nice to see you around!
Bye Sherry! It was awfully nice to see you here today! Don’t be a stranger, okay?
Was it ever explained what Marty’s personal reasons were for not playing the other night?
Boxworthy wore a disguise so he’d be more anonymous. He’s got a little fake nose-glasses dealie on.
So sad that a dignified character like Boxworthy has had to resort to such pedestrian things.
The game is also delayed because an anonymous turtle leapt over the boards onto Vermette’s face in an attempt to “scratch out his pretty little eyes”.
Boxworthy wore a disguise so he’d be more anonymous. He’s got a little fake nose-glasses dealie on.
*gigglesnort*
(and the 2000 ECF? I missed that… What happened?)
Going way back in the thread to respond to this, Mags, I think I could write an entire spinoff blog about the 2000 ECF. The shorter answer would be to explain what didn’t happen during that series. In a glancing overview, though, the Flyers had been coached by Roger Neilson that season; he stepped down to receive cancer treatment, and when the playoffs rolled around he was declared well enough to get back behind the bench, but Bobby Clarke decided he didn’t want him to and officially demoted him. He then went so far as to justify the move by saying (I am not making this up), “We didn’t ask Roger to get cancer. And then he got all goofy on us.” So that was percolating around the team at the time of the ECF, and Eric Lindros had been out with concussion problems, and had been stripped of his C on account of said concussions. Not that someone was named an interim captain. He was flat-out stripped of his C. So the Flyers take a 3-1 lead on the Devils, and then Lindros gets cleared to play again. The Flyers hold Eric out of the lineup for G5, which they lose, and then they inexplicably hit the panic button and put him into the lineup. He is their best player in a G6 loss, and then G7 was the one with the Scott Stevens hit. The way it all played out, as they blew that 3-1 series lead, was just the strangest, most operatic, most bizarro thing I’ve ever seen in sports. Even moreso than the Zidane headbutt in the World Cup final last summer. It was just this staggering, unbelievable parade of one ridiculous, dysfunctional move by the Flyers after another, and in the end they just blamed it all, as they always did, on Lindros and the goaltending.
Was it ever explained what Marty’s personal reasons were for not playing the other night?
No, and this is the Devils. We’ll probably never find out. Just the way we’ll never know why Julien was fired last year. Other than the obvious “the team was really sucking” explanation, of course.
…and in the end they just blamed it all, as they always did, on Lindros and the goaltending.
Since I wasn’t around for all the stuff he caused himself, I kind of feel sorry for Lindros, the way the Flyers treated him all those years.
Schnookie, thanks for the explanation. Wow. Flyers are so crazy.
No, and this is the Devils. We’ll probably never find out.
Either we never find out, or he’ll go into rehab. God forbid that happens. So yeah, I’m ok with not knowing.
Boxworthy?
Since I wasn’t around for all the stuff he caused himself, I kind of feel sorry for Lindros, the way the Flyers treated him all those years.
Even hating the Flyers and everything they ever did, and ever recognizing Lindros was hardly innocent, I still felt sorry for him and will always find him a sympathetic character. Poor guy. If only people recognized that he was a small player in a big player’s body, I think his career would have played out a lot differently.
Since I wasn’t around for all the stuff he caused himself, I kind of feel sorry for Lindros, the way the Flyers treated him all those years.
I can’t help but feel sorry for him. He’s just this huge, overbred great dane of a guy who only knows hockey because his parents basically bred and raised him to do nothing else, and they were (are?) still running his life as an adult in the NHL. I figure if he’d had a real agent and manager instead of psycho hockey parents, he might have had at least half a chance to turn out normal. And refusing to play for Quebec, how much do you bet that was the parents’ idea too? At least in Quebec, he wouldn’t have been playing for Evil Clarke.
Sid Crosby’s parents probably read Lindros’ biography and used it as a Guide On What Not To Do. Sid might be a little robotic but at least I don’t fear for his psyche.
Sid Crosby’s parents probably read Lindros’ biography and used it as a Guide On What Not To Do. Sid might be a little robotic but at least I don’t fear for his psyche.
That’s true. Just from the way outside here, it seems they’re doing a pretty good job.
Can you imagine what it would be like to have a kid like that?
Can you imagine what it would be like to have a kid like that?
I don’t have kids so even the prospect of average kid is terrifying! I can’t even imagine what it feels like to have responsibility for a kid who’s extraordinary in any way.
I put Lindros in the most despised category along with Jeff Kent, Billy Smith, Ron Hextall and Tie Domi. He refused to play for the Nordiques when they drafted him. He dogged it half the time on the ice. And when Stevens levelled him, his head was down, not in the game.
Having an eggshell for a skull is unfortunate, but he was selfish and felt entitled and never really endeared himself to fans or teammates.
I dunno is he’s a small man in a big man’s body, but he definitely had small character.
And, please don’t get me started on Hextall.
I dunno is he’s a small man in a big man’s body, but he definitely had small character.
Wow, Stalky! Tell us how you really feel! Just kidding. I’d be inclined to agree with you except that Lindros was always one of the few people (not athletes, but people in general) that I am quick to blame his small character on constant manipulation by other parties. For the most part, I demand people take responsibility for their actions, but Eric just seemed like a walking, talking Greek tragedy. He was doomed from the start, and we all knew it. It was hard not to feel some empathy for him since the dramatic irony was all there. You knew he was going to fail. The minute the Flyers announced he was skating in G6 you knew he was going to go down with a concussion (that he waited until G7 to skate eggshell first into Stevens’s shoulder only prolonged the tragic overtones of that series).
Yeah, Stalky. I guess I get you, but damn. I hope you don’t blame me for my parents!
I feel bad for Lindros too. At 19 or whatever he was it would be awfully hard to break from your parents even if you did think they were wrong. I’ll agree that he did enough screwing up on his own, but he was put on the wrong track in the first place and that’s tough.
And god bless Sid’s parents. Even if he is just by nature a good kid, you don’t get as mature and humble and down to earth as he is by accident. They’ve clearly done (and are doing) right by him.
I dunno is he’s a small man in a big man’s body, but he definitely had small character.
I totally agree. From a “real human being” perspective, I really don’t have a great deal of sympathy from him. But from the “fictional character” angle, like Pookie says, he’s hugely tragic.
Yeah, as a modern tragedy, you’re right. It is always hubris which is exposed in those stories. I remember he always showed up at the beginning of the season a little pudgy and indifferent. The fact that he moaned about everything didn’t make him lovable. And when you get someone like Lemeiux just down the road, really highlights those sort of negative qualities.
Even after that hit, his comebacks were not heralded as other comebacks are (but how could you compete with Lemeiux again!). Sad story, but largely his own responsibility for how its narrative turned out.
One wonders what Eric Lindros would have been like if he entered the League when Sid did and with the media training and extensive collection of handlers and with the hopes and dreams of a post-lock out NHL spurring the League into protecting him. The media is a very, very different beast now than it was then. In some respects it’s probably harder, but it’s also considerably more controlled and Sid is coming into being a superstar completely prepared for it. He’s been doing media training since he was in middle school. Eric was sort of thrown to the wolves.
His old man was a real piece, but after a couple years, you’d expect him to outgrow that.
But I dunno, I see Mike Danton and his parental issues and then the faint rumblings of Gomez Sr and maybe that’s not possible.
Sad story, but largely his own responsibility for how its narrative turned out.
The real person/superstar athlete dichotomy is probably really important to this issue, but I tend to wilfully ignore the “real person” aspect. That said, I’ll give you that it was largely his responsibility, but let’s not let Bobby Clarke off the hook too much here. I think it was fair for Lindros, in the era in which he played, to trust Flyers medical staff that their actions would be in his best interest. That they weren’t can’t be held entirely against him.
One more reason I love IPB: it makes me sad, sometimes, when I have to leave work! I could go on all day about hockey parents and the damage they do, but it’s quitting time! Toodle-oo, everyone.
Agreed again, the NHL has taken some pages from NFL and NBA marketing and is more involved with their products- I mean- young talent.
In the end, Lindros, like Ryan Leaf or Sebastian Telfair, is a picture of ability wasted.
His old man was a real piece, but after a couple years, you’d expect him to outgrow that.
I guess he should have held out and demanded a trade to the Nordiques then?
I think it was fair for Lindros, in the era in which he played, to trust Flyers medical staff that their actions would be in his best interest. That they weren’t can’t be held entirely against him.
This is the kind of thing that I like to think doesn’t go on in the league any more. Even concussions weren’t taken that seriously when he was getting them. Now, even if he wanted to go back on the ice too soon, they wouldn’t allow it. (Unless the team is triple-sneaky and makes him lie to doctors.)
I’ve read a lot of people say that Lindros is actually fairly shy in real life. It’s strange to imagine someone who is built like that and who looks like that and who can play like that (when healthy and interested) having self-esteem problems, but it’s certainly possible. Especially if the overbearing parent theory is also true and he was never allowed to grow up properly.
Just jumping back in.
Unless the team is triple-sneaky and makes him lie to doctors.
There are tests for concussions you cannot lie about. It’s impossible. So even if he got through the ones you can fake on the strength of a good fib, you’d still be out on the others.
There are days I feel terribly sorry for Lindros, and then there are days when I realize that while he was not the master of his own show, he was clearly a willing (it’s debatable) puppet. In the end, we make our own stories. Crappy parenting/other influences or not.
I’ve read a lot of people say that Lindros is actually fairly shy in real life.
He was just with the Stars last season, and I was surprised at how soft-spoken he is. Actually has kind of a high voice. From what I understood, the rest of the team really liked him. But he’s moved on now, probably to retire.
There are tests for concussions you cannot lie about. It’s impossible.
That’s why I think if he were starting now, even with everything else being the same, he might have a better go of it. Since he (and his team) would be forced to wait out the first concussion, maybe he wouldn’t be so prone to the rest of them.
Mags, you’ll know better about this, but I’ve read that a bad concussion can make your next one much worse than it would have been if it were your first one. (If you can parse that sentence.) And that getting one while still recovering from another makes the second one many times more dangerous. Is any of that true?
I think now, even if a guy feels okay the first day, if it’s a diagnosed concussion, he can’t play again for 7 days. Something like that.
There are tests for concussions you cannot lie about. It’s impossible. So even if he got through the ones you can fake on the strength of a good fib, you’d still be out on the others.
Is there any subjectivity left in diagnosing concussions? Can one doctor honestly think a player has one and one doctor think he doesn’t?
In any case, what’s to stop a team doctor(s) from “misdiagnosing” on purpose, to get a player back on the ice? Unethical, definitely. Illegal, maybe? But possible, sure. In Lindros’ case, I believe the issue was that he went to see non-team doctors.
Nowadays, the teams seem to use a lot of outside specialists (who always seem to be in Montreal), so hopefully those doctors don’t feel any pressure to return a certain diagnosis, since they work for multiple teams. I wonder if the NHLPA has caused the outside doctors to be used more, to better protect their members.
I think now, even if a guy feels okay the first day, if it’s a diagnosed concussion, he can’t play again for 7 days. Something like that.
I’m fairly sure there are 3 grades of concussion, diagnosed by whether (and how long) you got knocked out and what your symptoms are. And I believe the NHL has rules for each grade, like how long you have to be symptom-free before you can A)exercise at all and B)play.
a bad concussion can make your next one much worse than it would have been if it were your first one. [...] And that getting one while still recovering from another makes the second one many times more dangerous. Is any of that true?
Yeah, it is. A concussion is essentially a knock that is more than your brain can deal with and repair. During a period of 7 to 10 days after you initially receive the concussion your brain is busy trying to reset itself to it’s pre-damaged state. You need a lot of extra rest and nutrients to be able to do that. So if you were to get knocked on the head during the process, the reset point would be from there.
It’s like rechargeable batteries. If you don’t let them empty out properly, they don’t fill up right again.
Is there any subjectivity left in diagnosing concussions? Can one doctor honestly think a player has one and one doctor think he doesn’t?
There is, but the only real discrepancy is usually in the grade they assign.
what’s to stop a team doctor(s) from “misdiagnosing” on purpose, to get a player back on the ice? Unethical, definitely. Illegal, maybe?
Unethical AND illegal. Under the Hippocratic Oath it would constitute a deliberate attempt to do harm to a person in your care, and if found out the powers that be would be bound to take away your license to practice medicine.
I’m fairly sure there are 3 grades of concussion
There’s 5. I’d have to check my books as to what they are exactly, but I know grade 4 and 5 are essentially grade 3 with varying lengths of unconsciousness (3 is less than 5 minutes, 4 is 5-10 and 5 is more than 10 I think), so really, just 1 grade. The rules for when to return to sports are different for every league, but if anyone cares I could grab my safety seminar’s handout and look it up for you.
Unethical AND illegal.
Paging Dr. Pronger…
Paging Dr. Pronger…
There is something about the very thought of putting anyone in Pronger’s care that makes me scared.
Paging Dr. Pronger…
That’s for when they are running low on concussions to grade.
That’s for when they are running low on concussions to grade.
Or if they want to take it up a notch. “Trust me, Mr. Patient. Nobody’s impressed with a grade one concussion.”
Paging Dr. Pronger…
Does it hurt more here (elbow to lower head) or here (elbow to upper head)?
OK, just ordered my Center Ice. It took me two tries, and the second lady was sweet, even though I had to say “NHL Center Ice” three times before she had a revelation–”Oh, hockey!”
She apologized for not knowing anything about sports, but it was the eventual repeating of “Ice” that clued her in. I also had to give her a little “Nancy Henry Larry” to help her spell.
:^:::::::::::::::::
I heard CI just spiked in price, true or false? :x
I’m seriously contemplating getting CI Online, but I’m still going to see what they’re blacking out and not blacking out here on campus… I think I’m really getting all the Ottawa feeds and not the Leafs (EEEE!)
does anyone use CI Online?
Has anyone tried center Ice online? I’m tempted to order it since I don’t get all the Canucks games here.
I’ve liked the preview of it pretty well – no huge problems – but I can’t really tell you what’s blacked out and what isn’t. When you enlarge the picture too much it gets pretty blurry but if you have a laptop or don’t mind sitting close enough to watch a small picture, it’s probably worth it.
nah :D I think it’s supposed to black out local games or something, or whatever’s being aired in the region – whether this includes the godawful LeafsTV aired games I don’t know. I have to figure out what’s my “local” team though, before I do any ordering.
Alix – I kind of liked the preview (the two games I saw..) but there was some technical stuff weird with it.. if i enlarge I get upside-down images sometimes :(
if i enlarge I get upside-down images sometimes
Ooh–does that mean in your version the Leafs are winning? :P
I watched a couple games in the pre season and it was awful, but the one I watched on friday was really good.
Ooh–does that mean in your version the Leafs are winning? :P
heeyyy =( i’ll have you know that game against the Habs was really kind of good. and Toskala was downright amazing!
The Bills are winning! (Just had to say that while it was still true.)
Vinny, just point out that the Leafs have as many wins and points as the Ducks do. I didn’t see the last game, but Toskala gave Andrew one win for the week, which was one more than my awesome Emery-Raycroft-Fernandez trinity.
at least we held our own against the SC Finalists… more than what the ducks can say, with that outing against columbus :p
I guess, if that’s what you call “holding your own”.
Here’s a nice statbit for ya: Spezza, Alfredsson, and Heatley combined for more points in 2 games against the Leafs to start this year (6g, 5a) than they did in all 5 games against the Ducks last spring (5g, 3a).
:P
The Bills are winning! (Just had to say that while it was still true.)
Suh-weet!
but sleek! they’re also pummelling every other team! stupid cash line. :P
a couple of guys are playing NHL08 in my common room… sabres against pens I believe… :0 an interesting spectacle.
Speaking of the Leagues, the Raccoon Wives really tanked in the first week. I’d like to blame it all on the fact that the WC played several days by themselves, while all my EC guys were picking through trash cans, but I guess part of it is my shitty draft.
And boy, the Marauders were merciless with the smack talk. Good luck to their next opponent! :P
a couple of guys are playing NHL08 in my common room…
My roommate bought it over the weekend, but I came home so tired I haven’t even tried it yet. I’m a little nervous. Or lazy.
The Bills are winning! (Just had to say that while it was still true.)
Suh-weet!
And they’re still winning!
I’d love to try that new stick feature :x
Is that the one Spezza is doing the advertisements for? Every time Turco calls him “Spezz” in that commercial I think he’s calling him “Spazz.”
The Bills are winning! (Just had to say that while it was still true.)
Nuh-UH!!
DUDE! Go BILLS!
Woops, meant that in response to your outlandish claim that they’re still winning.
I can only dream that the Cowboys lose this game!
Patty, Romo is having a total meltdown. He’s thrown FOUR interceptions!
DUDE! Go BILLS!
The Bills also have gorgeous throwback unis. Why do we keep changing these beautiful uniforms to generic junk?
Patty, unless Romo gets his crap straight soon, it’s not looking good for him. I mean, there’s a lot of time left… but damn, FOUR interceptions?
Wow, even better if Romo is the tanker. You just have no idea the coverage that stupid team gets around here. They act like Romo is the better than Staubauch ever was. The local sports media are always flinging accusations about how the Stars haven’t gotten out of the first round in 3 seasons, but they ignore the fact that the Cowboys haven’t won a single playoff game in TEN YEARS. Arrrrgh! I hate them!
How about now? How’s Romo doing now?
Well, we shouldn’t throw a party yet. THe Bills are only up by seven, which is nothing considering 4 interceptions.
It’s half time! He’s probably breathing into a paper bag in the dressing room. :D
I’m afraid to switch over in case I somehow jinx their loss.
My Meatballs had a pretty awful week too, Patty! Here’s hoping week 2 goes better.
He’s probably breathing into a paper bag in the dressing room. :D
Hee hee!
Thanks, alix! I appreciate the sympathy. I hope so, too.
Patty, the backup QB put his helmet on so I think Romo’s going to be on a short leash in the second half. Still… the score is pretty close so we’ll see. The Bills have to be pretty pumped though because they really weren’t supposed to be in the game.
Where’d everybody go? Is everyone hunkered down in front of Monday Night Football? Watching the Yankees blow yet another ALDS? What?
I’m still here Heather! I think the Bills are actually going to win this game! No one is going to make a PEEP about the Sabres tomorrow. Buffalo is going to be in a good mood!
OH NO! I JINXED THEM!
Kate, there are 6:00 minutes left and the Bills are notorious for losing games spectacularly at the very end. I’m hopeful. Very hopeful. But let’s not celebrate yet :-) (Still, it would be awesome. Buffalo would totally be on cloud 9 tomorrow.)
If they lose, it’s totally my fault. ARGH!
Never mind! :D
No, no, Kate. It’s the Bills. This was in play long before you were a Buffalonian.
HOLY SHIT! ANOTHER INTERCEPTION!
Can you believe this, Heather?! This is so fun!
Kate, it’s so much fun. And I hate football!
I’m not going to say anything else that could possibly jinx them, but this is a HOOT! And on MONDAY NIGHT!
Oh God, I’m scared. THIS IS SO SCARY!
It is! I’m holding my breath and afraid to say anything!
Geez, this is why I hate football! It’s taking a lifetime for them to play 30 seconds!
This is torture.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Oh good golly. Please tell me this is over. no more! Mercy!
Okay, this is why I don’t watch the Bills. I cannot handle games like this is two different sports.
I am so with you Heather. This is really truly tortuous. I don’t have room in my heart for football too.
Mark is watching from behind the treadmill. Poor guy!
Poor Mark!
Oh, good Lord, HOW MANY TIMEOUTS DO THESE PEOPLE HAVE?!
What did I tell you?! WHAT DID I TELL YOU?!
Oh.
I can’t believe it.
So sorry, Buffalo! I wanted y’all to win!
I hate the Cowboys so MUCH!
I can’t believe it.
Welcome to the Buffalo Bills.
Is it wrong that I just burst into tears? That sucked so hard.
Kate, I’m right there with you. AND I DON’T LIKE FOOTBALL! I feel so terrible for the team. All those injuries, Monday Night national TV, and they were so close to pulling it out. So close! I always wonder in these situations if they wouldn’t just prefer to get blown out.
Kate, this is kind of what the Sabres post-season defeat felt like season before last. It sucked this past year but they played like crap so even as disappointed as I was, they had it coming. The year before though injuries just wreaked havoc and they played so hard until the very end and then it was just over and they looked so tired and devastated.
Man. Sometimes I think God really might hate Buffalo a little.
I don’t even know what to say. I mean, it’s just football, but that was truly miserable. I was just looking forward to people being in a good mood.
I was just looking forward to people being in a good mood.
Would’ve been nice.
But maybe will be distracted by how bad the Bills are for a couple of days?
Why o why do people always comment on adorable Kevin Connolly’s height? He is so absolutely cute, I just want to hug him and never let go. And, remember, height doesn’t matter when you are laying down.